I don't know how much longer I can do this.

[Sgt Huber]

I'm still playing because some of my Marine friends are playing, and I want us to have stuff to talk about, but lately my end of the conversation has been mostly negative and I think they are beginning to notice, so i may vent out here a bit.

Each of them has spent a few hundred dollars and they are making fun decks and climbing into the upper ranks.
Myself on the other-hand, has only bought the first battle pass that had spider-man and nothing else. (partially because I've never got to the end of a battle pass before and had leftover money from a refund in my steam wallet.)
Otherwise, I am adamantly anti pay-to-win.

I've tried watching YouTube, using budget decks, using my own TCG deck building knowledge, but nothing seems to work, and the 1000+ reserves are just spamming gold and credits at me instead of new cards. Any deck that is in any tier of climbing power or shown by tubers, I am missing cards for, and am constantly beat by cards I don't have.

Just to name a few.
Silver surfer, Black panther, Lady death, patriot, leader, cerebro, thor, sera, arnim zola, she hulk, shuri, galactus, maximus, valkrie, thanos, mystique, zero, goose, taskmaster, etc etc.

Firstly, I think its absurd that a paid-for card is the number one win rate, tier 1 deck (silver surfer).
Black panther was really good too and is in many top tier decks. I was told I could acquire him later on, then he pops up in my shop as series 5 for 6000 tokens, which is about 200 dollars if you buy the bundles, so that's a hard pass.

They all play on phones so I don't even get the bonuses they do from events and stuff, which doesn't help at all.

I've managed to snag a few decent cards like hela, but am missing cards for literally every deck that's worth its salt. For example I don't have hell-cow so I can't efficiently play hela. Just one of many examples.

I don't see any point in playing past my dailies if I can't really climb without paying, and its extremely disheartening every time I have a chance for a new card every few days and get nothing-burgers, or just get pummeled by cards I don't have access to.

I may trog through my dailies once in a while but i'm not sure this is worth it anymore.
I kind of wish they at least gave you a little something for grinding past dailies.

Does anyone else feel like this or have any practical advice?

[VastGirth]

I've not spent a penny (and don't intend to) and don't feel underpowered. (CL 1228).

If you don't spend you have to be a bit more picky about what type of deck to play depending on what you are trying to do. For example if i am playing to raise my rank i use my Discard deck as it has most of the best discard cards (still need moon knight) and is my most effective at winning. If I am playing for fun, level my cl, or to do missions i will choose another deck, even though they miss a few key cards (e.g no ultron or patriot for my zoo deck).

Paying more just gives you more choice, and that only really matters at the higher ranks/levels. Keep playing and you will get the cards you need sooner or later.

Btw, if you have Hela you can make a very good discard deck without hell cow.

If its not fun for you then don't play. Certainly don't spaff hundreds of dollars away on it.

[Vilidius]

@OP - Look, if you're online looking at cookie cutter decks you'll always be looking at decks that include something you don't have access to. Who said you need Hell Cow to play Hela exactly? You try that you'll be discarding Hela herself most of the time. I won't pretend I've never spent money on the game, but I think my greater advantage is that I've literally never looked up a deck. I do whatever I do based on experience and my own builds. And I have no trouble making infinite every single season.

If you want to do this right, let's do it. List ever pool 3 (and above, if applicable) card that you have access to, and we'll go from there.

[Sgt Huber]

Originally posted by Vilidius:

@OP - Look, if you're online looking at cookie cutter decks you'll always be looking at decks that include something you don't have access to. Who said you need Hell Cow to play Hela exactly? You try that you'll be discarding Hela herself most of the time. I won't pretend I've never spent money on the game, but I think my greater advantage is that I've literally never looked up a deck. I do whatever I do based on experience and my own builds. And I have no trouble making infinite every single season.

If you want to do this right, let's do it. List ever pool 3 (and above, if applicable) card that you have access to, and we'll go from there.

Thanks, yeah I listed a bunch of ones i don't have but I'll have to make a list soon i guess. (trying to see if there is a sort option or might just find an internet list and work backwards)
I find I rarely discard enough for hela to hit it big, and yeah in hindsight don't like the RNG of maybe discarding her so i may avoid that, i'm not sure.

I'm a decent TCG player so my theory is usually pretty good
(I have multiple first place magic tournament wins, high hearthstone/ yugioh rank, etc. etc.)

Based on my knowledge i'm using cards I believe to have the most value per mana spent and also that work with some of the locations.
my most consistent deck is nova-scorpion-medusa-sentinel-mister sinister- mister fantastic- killmonger-rhino-shang chi- jess jones- leech- doctor doom

This deck is great for consistently giving me high numbers but it can't compete with a huge synergy meta combo if they catch it.
Even with that though I cant climb past like 40-50ish


edit: so from pool 3 , and this may be wrong, but it seems i have,
Agatha, destroyer, doc doom, doc oc, dracula, electro, hela, invis woman, magneto, juggernaut, lockjaw, mysterio, red skull, rockslide, ultron, wong, and spider man.

I dabbled with a destroyer deck that seems to work, ok, but lacks counterplay to a lot of the meta stuff outside of like leader decks.

[Vilidius]

Originally posted by Sgt Huber:

Originally posted by Vilidius:

@OP - Look, if you're online looking at cookie cutter decks you'll always be looking at decks that include something you don't have access to. Who said you need Hell Cow to play Hela exactly? You try that you'll be discarding Hela herself most of the time. I won't pretend I've never spent money on the game, but I think my greater advantage is that I've literally never looked up a deck. I do whatever I do based on experience and my own builds. And I have no trouble making infinite every single season.

If you want to do this right, let's do it. List ever pool 3 (and above, if applicable) card that you have access to, and we'll go from there.

Thanks, yeah I listed a bunch of ones i don't have but I'll have to make a list soon i guess.
I find I rarely discard enough for hela to hit it big, and yeah in hindsight don't like the RNG of maybe discarding her so i may avoid that, i'm not sure.

I'm a decent TCG player so my theory is usually pretty good
(I have multiple first place magic tournament wins, high hearthstone/ yugioh rank, etc. etc.)

Based on my knowledge i'm using cards I believe to have the most value per mana spent and also that work with some of the locations.
my most consistent deck is nova-scorpion-medusa-sentinel-mister sinister- mister fantastic- killmonger-rhino-shang chi- jess jones- leech- doctor doom

Even with that though I cant climb past like 40-50ish

That's...umm...an interesting deck you have there. I don't know how to say this in a nicer way, but if not for the preamble and context I'd honestly think you were trolling me right now. You might as well be a DPS-speced healer right now.

So, look. Leaving aside any discussion about the "right" way to play this or any other game (you're playing collectable card games in tournaments but think any money spent on an online game makes it p2w and therefore impure?) you just need to start from the premise that you are currently really, really bad at this. Like, really bad. And I don't know why, particularly. But there's no synergy in that deck you are describing.

If you want to come back and list your cards, I'll give you a suggestion or two. But man, that's just...bad.

[Sgt Huber]

Originally posted by Vilidius:

Originally posted by Sgt Huber:

Thanks, yeah I listed a bunch of ones i don't have but I'll have to make a list soon i guess.
I find I rarely discard enough for hela to hit it big, and yeah in hindsight don't like the RNG of maybe discarding her so i may avoid that, i'm not sure.

I'm a decent TCG player so my theory is usually pretty good
(I have multiple first place magic tournament wins, high hearthstone/ yugioh rank, etc. etc.)

Based on my knowledge i'm using cards I believe to have the most value per mana spent and also that work with some of the locations.
my most consistent deck is nova-scorpion-medusa-sentinel-mister sinister- mister fantastic- killmonger-rhino-shang chi- jess jones- leech- doctor doom

Even with that though I cant climb past like 40-50ish

That's...umm...an interesting deck you have there. I don't know how to say this in a nicer way, but if not for the preamble and context I'd honestly think you were trolling me right now. You might as well be a DPS-speced healer right now.

So, look. Leaving aside any discussion about the "right" way to play this or any other game (you're playing collectable card games in tournaments but think any money spent on an online game makes it p2w and therefore impure?) you just need to start from the premise that you are currently really, really bad at this. Like, really bad. And I don't know why, particularly. But there's no synergy in that deck you are describing.

If you want to come back and list your cards, I'll give you a suggestion or two. But man, that's just...bad.

sorry you may have missed my edits. I did list my cards. I don't think i'm trolling?
That's just the highest win rate deck i have, based on consistency and value per mana, which is pretty common tcg theory. There is some synergy though, like nova killmonger combo gets me a lot of wins, as well as much needed counters for many occurrences, locations, and meta cards.

I guess this game wants you to make high value high rng decks and just grind out and hope for the best?

Also yeah if all the objectively top winrate decks revolve around cards you have to buy, (silver surfer, panther, etc.) that is by most rational definitions pay to win. Can't argue with data, but i can tell you are defensive about that so I'd rather stay on topic and get your advice since you seem to know what you are talking about.

This is me admitting i'm apparently bad.

*Would you mind sharing the deck you climbed to infinity on AND what you think I can build from my cards?*

[chaosek]

Don't focus on your rank too much. I the beginning you'll hit a road block at some level you can't get past cause you aren't consistent enough. I had the same last seasonpass, got to 59.9, but never beyond that. This season I seem to get stuck between70-80, but that could just be me being a bad player. Just play for the credits and upping your collector level. Everything else is just luck based. For instance, I still don't have Dracula, but pulled the absorbing man days after it came out. So it's quite pointless to get frustrated about that. Finally most value per mana is a good start, but you're looking for synergy. Like adding a Forge to give your 2 mister sinsters 4 power.

Edit: I'm under the impression that ongoing decks are pretty easy to build. So maybe start there? If you don't have capt America, the welcome bundle is very cheap and hardly pay to win.

Edit-edit: If you link your account to google on pc and install it on your phone after, both are linked and you can use your phone to reap rewards.

[Vilidius]

Okay. My favorite deck when I'm actually working at leveling is a Mr. Negative deck. That's obviously no good to you. I got Mr. Negative fairly early and I initially built around him with what I had and it's gradually gotten better. But I can work a variety of things.

Here's my best suggestion for you. You have most of the pieces of a strong Apocalypse/Dracula deck. Not every last card I'd want, but you have the bones. And you can do it with Lockjaw, which is a great addition. Here's my best suggestion right now:

Blade, Morbius, Scorpion, Swarm, Lockjaw, Lady Sif, Sword Master, Dracula, Doctor Doom, Apocalypse, Magneto, Hela

Now, you're trying to do two things. First, you're playing weak cards into Lockjaw (when you can) to draw strong cards. You're discarding fairly wildly - don't fret about that. Your goal is to get Dracula out and ideally have the last card you're holding be Apocalypse. That may or may not work consistently. This would be better if you had a couple more discard cards - Colleen Wing (hits Swarm well), Moon Knight, something. Hell Cow would fit here for sure, but it is what it is. There's a couple filler cards. If Dracula doesn't come together for you Doom may help you take an extra lane. It's a strong turn six play into Lockjaw.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But if you like I'll play it myself at infinite for a bit and report back.

Edit - Took out Wolverine and put in Hela. This is a deck where you can't be worried too much about discarding Hela. It's going to happen. But when it doesn't, you'll be in better shape. Also - SERIOUSLY check if you have anything else that discards. Even one more would help a ton.

[Cujo999]

Originally posted by Sgt Huber:

I'm still playing because some of my Marine friends are playing, and I want us to have stuff to talk about, but lately my end of the conversation has been mostly negative and I think they are beginning to notice, so i may vent out here a bit.

Each of them has spent a few hundred dollars and they are making fun decks and climbing into the upper ranks.
Myself on the other-hand, has only bought the first battle pass that had spider-man and nothing else. (partially because I've never got to the end of a battle pass before and had leftover money from a refund in my steam wallet.)
Otherwise, I am adamantly anti pay-to-win.

I've tried watching YouTube, using budget decks, using my own TCG deck building knowledge, but nothing seems to work, and the 1000+ reserves are just spamming gold and credits at me instead of new cards. Any deck that is in any tier of climbing power or shown by tubers, I am missing cards for, and am constantly beat by cards I don't have.

Just to name a few.
Silver surfer, Black panther, Lady death, patriot, leader, cerebro, thor, sera, arnim zola, she hulk, shuri, galactus, maximus, valkrie, thanos, mystique, zero, goose, taskmaster, etc etc.

Firstly, I think its absurd that a paid-for card is the number one win rate, tier 1 deck (silver surfer).
Black panther was really good too and is in many top tier decks. I was told I could acquire him later on, then he pops up in my shop as series 5 for 6000 tokens, which is about 200 dollars if you buy the bundles, so that's a hard pass.

They all play on phones so I don't even get the bonuses they do from events and stuff, which doesn't help at all. :fardy:

I've managed to snag a few decent cards like hela, but am missing cards for literally every deck that's worth its salt. For example I don't have hell-cow so I can't efficiently play hela. Just one of many examples.

I don't see any point in playing past my dailies if I can't really climb without paying, and its extremely disheartening every time I have a chance for a new card every few days and get nothing-burgers, or just get pummeled by cards I don't have access to.

I may trog through my dailies once in a while but i'm not sure this is worth it anymore.
I kind of wish they at least gave you a little something for grinding past dailies.

Does anyone else feel like this or have any practical advice? :hintlord:

My honest advice is to just do your daily's and then put the game down and don't give it a second thought each day until you get the right cards to build one of the meta decks. I would also suggest downloading the mobile version because there's no reason to miss out on free stuff. I honestly think the Steam version only exists to encourage more content creators to cover the game and build hype for it. If I'm playing a Marvel card game on my PC, it's Midnight Suns, not Snap.

Seriously look at the Rank rewards. Is it worth beating your head against a wall for 500 credits or a title? People make a big deal about hitting Infinite because that's the only goal in the game, currently, but it's not like you get much to actually help you advance if you do.

This game is in it's infancy right now and changes are coming with time. All anybody is really doing is collecting cards for when whatever version of guilds there will be in this game drops. If you're a reasonably competent player and Pool 3 complete at that point, you should be in a good spot.

[Sgt Huber]

Thanks for the advice. You guys make some decent points.
Guilds or something to give me more progress than rank or CL would be kind of cool.
I will try to apply some of the advice/deck and possibly get back to yall.
Let me know if you do try the testing or whatever. I'll stay subbed.

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Originally posted by Sgt Huber:

Thanks for the advice. You guys make some decent points.
Guilds or something to give me more progress than rank or CL would be kind of cool.
I will try to apply some of the advice/deck and possibly get back to yall.
Let me know if you do try the testing or whatever. I'll stay subbed.

The deck above he suggested should get you to at least 70 rank. Beyond that things are tougher when your deck is sub optimal. I would agree with the guy above who said don't look at meta decks. Focus on what you have and what can be built from that.

[Lazydrones]

I keep my rank "low-ish" exactly for this purpose. Not worried about climbing the leader boards and stressing myself out as I just started. I do have the deck building skills but I want to be in a challenging situation not a meta situation.

I keep myself in losing matches with SNAPs just so I can keep myself in the lower - > mid tier ranks.

If you are in it to climb through the ranks then I don't know, might just need to grind it out till you get more cards.

I'm not about to spend tons of money on cards either - still on the fence about the battle pass. Collector and silver surfer seem like they could be kind-of fun-ish.

[Code:Ao Vivia Cxv009]

I would say first that yeah..until the steam thing gets fixed..you kinda have to be able to log into the mobile version..theres no way around it as that free resources will go a long ways in helping you progress.

As for you experience with the game..i can say i get the frustration..is what is leaning me towards quiting and ive spent money on the game in contrast to you. I would say to try to give helpful advice is alot of the basic pool 1 cards and 2 can net you some decent decks to grind and win with; though you will just be limited is all to fill in some slots with..obviously arguably better cards in certain slots of those pool 2+ decks.

The way the game is currently designed..you are pretty much forced to just play with whatever the game decides to throw at you; it is indeed a dumb business model imo but it is what it is. Just use what you casually unlock that you feel would be the best deck for you at that time and run with it pretty much. It's what i did as i trekked along as you slowly ( slow being the key word here.. ) will be able to design different deck types you can mess around with.

What i will say is that; coming from someone that is almost done with Pool 3; your not missing out on much. Unlocking more cards isnt going to make you win a ton of games with this game type. Some decks are more "consistent" but not pay to win by any means. The rotating locations per game makes it so that there is a level of skill ( and RNG for better or worse ) so that just playing arguably better cards doesn't mean you win and often playing smart over just slapping down cards over 6 turns mindlessly is gonna net you more wins than loses in the grand scheme of things.

I would say though you do have to throw out the window the mindset you may take from other TCG's given how this one is designed. Like playing on curve is not as huge in this case as others...sure its ideal to use up all your play points for a turn but due to the small deck sizes and how locations work..it isnt as big a deal ultimately. Like you have decks that can win playing crap..2 cards or 3 if they work out and cant be countered ( like infinaut basically ). Just bare in mind...if you dont like the game now..your not going to feel much different adding more cards long term as the grind doesnt get any better and your not going to magically start winning games left and right because of it. Either this game is your cup or tea or its not so as some above me as said...maybe just do your dailies and put it away until you get things you want to play with and get a phone to log into for the free rewards..otherwise your just doing a disservice to yourself long term pretty much...

[Dr.Gloom]

I am CL 865 atm. I have 26 pool 3. cards. Tbh, I was pretty lucky with my drops. Early on, I got Kingpin(3rd drop) and Magneto(5th drop), and Aero showed up in the shop. That was a no-brainer buy. I had fun with Kingpin. Recently I got Patriot and Ultron, and I am having a blast with the deck. I am missing Mystique, but I hope she will show up in the shop. Have fun. Don't take the game seriously. Cards will come. Install the game on the phone. They are giving some nice prizes. Helps a bit in grinding.

[lufia22]

Kazoo and Devil Dino are still good in Pool 3 and uses zero Pool 3 cards. Any time I get a mission to play 1 costs, I go to my Kazoo deck and am still getting wins at 2200+ CL and 70+ rank.

# (1) Ant Man
# (1) Elektra
# (1) Squirrel Girl
# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (1) Rocket Raccoon
# (1) Blade
# (2) Angela
# (2) Okoye
# (3) Bishop
# (4) Ka-Zar
# (5) Blue Marvel
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[VastGirth]

Originally posted by lufia22:

Kazoo and Devil Dino are still good in Pool 3 and uses zero Pool 3 cards. Any time I get a mission to play 1 costs, I go to my Kazoo deck and am still getting wins at 2200+ CL and 70+ rank.

# (1) Ant Man
# (1) Elektra
# (1) Squirrel Girl
# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (1) Rocket Raccoon
# (1) Blade
# (2) Angela
# (2) Okoye
# (3) Bishop
# (4) Ka-Zar
# (5) Blue Marvel
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Ah this was my first favourite deck. Great at first, then starts becoming a problem when you see lots of killmongers, but then gets better at higher levels as you don't see him as often.