50 hours in, pool 2 complete, done with this game

[Peanutman]

I think this game has a ton of potential, but as of right now this game is the antithesis of fun. The randomness is just killing me. playing cards at the same time was cool at first but it makes a lot of counterplay basically impossible, not to mention the heavy rng of locations. I legitimately escaped 5 games in a row because the locations either gave them a big random minion, countered my deck and/or playstyle, or gave them a benefit they'd benefit from more than I would. That gameplay is just not fun and I don't know how anybody could think it is.

Gameplay aside, the grind is abysmally bad. Even when I do get pool 3 cards, I need at least 4 more pool 3 cards to even play them in a deck. They're so synergistic that you need basically a full pool 3 collection to play a deck with pool 3 cards. Spent $33 on this game($20 of gold, starter pack, and season pass) and I feel like it barely moved me forward. I'm pretty sure that $33 got me maybe 5 cards at most, and only 2 of them were playable.

I think this game can get improved a lot, but ultimately the core gameplay will likely still be an issue for me due to lack of depth and thinking. I even watch pool 3 decks on youtube and they all seem to just ignore what the opponent is doing and build up their big combos. Yea. not fun. Might check back with this game in a year to see if it is worth playing.

[ninfreak711]

if you think this game takes no skill or has no depth you are insane. or you have never played card games. manipulating rng to your favor is what a good card game is all about.

i'm about half way through pool 3 and i love this game. there is so much variety and depth that is not visible at first glance. maybe it's my 30 years playing magic that let's me see what others don't in strategically thinking about games

[Peanutman]

Originally posted by ninfreak711:

if you think this game takes no skill or has no depth you are insane. or you have never played card games. manipulating rng to your favor is what a good card game is all about.

i'm about half way through pool 3 and i love this game. there is so much variety and depth that is not visible at first glance. maybe it's my 30 years playing magic that let's me see what others don't in strategically thinking about games

This game is limited by its small deck size and short matches which don't leave a lot of room for skill. honestly I feel like pool 1 took the most skill since it had less rng and was more about raw stats than removal or random effects like jubilee. I'm definitely no stranger to card games, I hit legend in hearthstone 5 times.

[Synnical77]

The game isn't "limited". It's designed for a specific style of gameplay. 50 hours is well enough to say you got your money's worth and enjoyment on some level.

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by ninfreak711:

if you think this game takes no skill or has no depth you are insane. or you have never played card games. manipulating rng to your favor is what a good card game is all about.

i'm about half way through pool 3 and i love this game. there is so much variety and depth that is not visible at first glance. maybe it's my 30 years playing magic that let's me see what others don't in strategically thinking about games

This is true, but OP has a point. You need the cards, or all your skill won't matter as opponent gets their combo in place. I have an almost-complete top deck, just one card missing, and I can see that in many games, that card would have won me the match I lost. But it's also true I don't really think about this game, so probably I also overlooked some things.

I think my favorite will be the move deck, once I put it together. That one has a ton of possibilities for messing with the opponent.

[Ghrimvold]

Originally posted by µ:

Originally posted by ninfreak711:

if you think this game takes no skill or has no depth you are insane. or you have never played card games. manipulating rng to your favor is what a good card game is all about.

i'm about half way through pool 3 and i love this game. there is so much variety and depth that is not visible at first glance. maybe it's my 30 years playing magic that let's me see what others don't in strategically thinking about games

This game is limited by its small deck size and short matches which don't leave a lot of room for skill. honestly I feel like pool 1 took the most skill since it had less rng and was more about raw stats than removal or random effects like jubilee. I'm definitely no stranger to card games, I hit legend in hearthstone 5 times.

lmao ...Hearthstone

[Z]

Well what you said is a characteristic of card game. If it doesn't suit you, just go.

[HighLanderPony]

Marvel Crap.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by ninfreak711:

if you think this game takes no skill or has no depth you are insane. or you have never played card games. manipulating rng to your favor is what a good card game is all about.

i'm about half way through pool 3 and i love this game. there is so much variety and depth that is not visible at first glance. maybe it's my 30 years playing magic that let's me see what others don't in strategically thinking about games

This is true, but OP has a point. You need the cards, or all your skill won't matter as opponent gets their combo in place. I have an almost-complete top deck, just one card missing, and I can see that in many games, that card would have won me the match I lost. But it's also true I don't really think about this game, so probably I also overlooked some things.

I think my favorite will be the move deck, once I put it together. That one has a ton of possibilities for messing with the opponent.

Thing is, generally speaking, decks with specific strategies are predictable. If people play sunspot and skip turn 5, it's 100000% obvious what's coming next. If people play blue marvel, there's a big chance onslaught is next. If people play moongirl, you know there's probably a dinosaur coming next, etc. A lot of strategies are pretty obvious and you can play around this. I won't say you can 100% of the time, but it's possible. Very possible, in fact. If you just focus on completing your combo and you have zero room or not the skill to adapt or counter play with that deck, then i'd say that it's a skill issue. If you mindlessly play your combo you initially want and cannot deviate from that strategy.. well then it makes you predictable as a player.


You do not always have to play your 5/6 mana combo if the situation requires a different approach. Often i've played a killmonger turn 6 that won me the game. Or shang chi. Or another counterplay card that instead of a big drop, allowed me to win elsewhere due to more cards.

There's a lot possible.

[Arcturus Asriv]

I like to throw together a deck of my lowest grade cards to find synergies I wouldn't think of. I may lose a few ranks, but I don't really care about rank, personally.
I just aim to complete the missions to upgrade cards and build the collection.

[Raster]

Originally posted by Arcturus Asriv:

I like to throw together a deck of my lowest grade cards to find synergies I wouldn't think of. I may lose a few ranks, but I don't really care about rank, personally.
I just aim to complete the missions to upgrade cards and build the collection.

Wait, you're playing for fun? You enjoy the game?

I don't understand. We don't play video games because we like them. We play them to farm rewards for the game we hate so we can funnel those rewards back into the game we hate so we can keep playing the game we hate for more rewards and see the numbers go up.

[onedudesmind]

Originally posted by Raster:

Originally posted by Arcturus Asriv:

I like to throw together a deck of my lowest grade cards to find synergies I wouldn't think of. I may lose a few ranks, but I don't really care about rank, personally.
I just aim to complete the missions to upgrade cards and build the collection.

Wait, you're playing for fun? You enjoy the game?

I don't understand. We don't play video games because we like them. We play them to farm rewards for the game we hate so we can funnel those rewards back into the game we hate so we can keep playing the game we hate for more rewards and see the numbers go up.

Some people have fun unlocking things. You love to play for no reward other then enjoyment, that's great but i think you are in the minority there, considering multiplayer games with no unlockable rewards always fail. I don't understand how you can play a game with no reward other then enjoyment, to me that seems pretty boring and crazy.

[3XN BREACHER]

You whine about skill and rng while pointing out Hearthstone as your reference?

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[nullpo]

Originally posted by 3XN BREACHER:

You whine about skill and rng while pointing out Hearthstone as your reference?

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to be fair excluding cards like yogg saron they pretty much makes the game way more consistent now. Most RNG are controlled like discover and dredge, they remove card variable like lightning storm 2-4 damage to fixed 3 damage, etc. RNG-fiesta is a fair complain about snap because they decide to make a short card game, so the RNG is baked in to make each game more different.

[AoiNagisaSan]

Small payers get punished the most in this game.
If you're buying credits from time to time, you won't progress any faster, if you buy variants then whatever, doesn't matter.
F2P players feel great because they are not spending any money and can compete based on their CL, whales feel great because they progress and unlock cards very fast.

[Syncourt]

Originally posted by µ:

I legitimately escaped 5 games in a row because the locations either gave them a big random minion, countered my deck and/or playstyle, or gave them a benefit they'd benefit from more than I would.

5 games in a row?

You're the lucky one. Some days you'll go on 5 hours straight getting counterplayed by random crap, before you know it you're 10 ranks lower. You might get a point win here or there from a retreat, and the odd 4 point win. But really what you are experiencing is Marvel Snap violently fisting you for a good few hours.

It goes both ways though. Some days you spend 5 hours just walking all over your opponents, and flying up the ranks again.

Originally posted by Dregora:

If you just focus on completing your combo and you have zero room or not the skill to adapt or counter play with that deck, then i'd say that it's a skill issue. If you mindlessly play your combo you initially want and cannot deviate from that strategy.. well then it makes you predictable as a player.

It's kind of difficult to deviate when you haven't got a full deck.

All good if the enemy is using a predictable deck like the ones you mentioned.
But those are hardly seen for the reason they are so easy to counter or retreat from when your hand can't counter it.

Retreating on turn 5 when there is no snap should really be a straight up 2 cube loss to the opponent, since it's basically just knowing you'll lose turn 6 because you didn't pull that combo card you needed.

Full pool 3 decks though, the opponent can go either way and they become a lot less predictable because they have multiple ways to combo. While every deck I'm building I get stuck on a card or 2 that fits in perfectly - but oh, don't have that one yet.
- Oh, only have 1 single card that can make this deck work - can't rely on 1 card!
Can't use this deck yet....

Pool 3 is just a painful slog to get some functioning decks unlocked.
You can't take it seriously because eventually even if you play well, you'll get matched against people that are out of your league and have way more versatile decks unlocked.