My biggest issue is that Traits are behind a paywall.

[Grandork]

Honestly, I don't really care for the Pets. Sure, you can get 10~20% more power from having perfect pets. But it's whatever.

My biggest issue are Traits. You don't play Summoner without playing a Summoner Trait. Playing a DoT build? You want the DoT Trait.

I read Icy Soul and thought to myself "Will I have to spend the free gems on traits?". I had 600 stored, so I decided to try to give it a few rolls... Only to find out that you can't use the free gems to roll for Icy Soul. You can only use paid gems to roll for a chance of getting a trait.

That just feels... Wrong. If I want to play a Cold based character, it just feels wrong not to go with Icy Heart, considering that she's fully focused on Cold.

[ﮊᴗᴝ𝓽ᴗ]

I think they told this will be changed on the dev blog

[Jean]

Originally posted by ﮊᴗᴝ𝓽ᴗ:

I think they told this will be changed on the dev blog

Gambling for paywalled traits has been removed but those traits remain paywalled.

I agree with OP that this is an issue as, at the very least, devs should give the illusion that the content of the game can be unlocked by playing it (then speed that up by paying). Which is just not the case here. They're not even trying to pretend the full content of the game is free to play and that is going to make a lot of players wary.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Jean:

Originally posted by ﮊᴗᴝ𝓽ᴗ:

I think they told this will be changed on the dev blog

Gambling for paywalled traits has been removed but those traits remain paywalled.

I agree with OP that this is an issue as, at the very least, devs should give the illusion that the content of the game can be unlocked by playing it (then speed that up by paying). Which is just not the case here. They're not even trying to pretend the full content of the game is free to play and that is going to make a lot of players wary.

We don't know that yet. The quote was:

In addition, we will increase the avenues available to obtain hero traits for free. Other hero traits can also be unlocked by accumulating in-game resources or accomplishing certain achievements like Youga's 2nd hero trait, Spacetime Elapse.

If we combine it with this:

All future new heroes, in other words, their first hero traits will be directly unlocked via purchasing the Season Pass.

I think this means that every new Hero Trait will first be locked behind Season Pass, then will be purchasable via Direct Payment/Gacha. The Gacha will no longer be Real Money Only.

[Jean]

A very valid interpolation of what was left unclear and ambiguous within the broken english and questionable choice of words like "other traits" used in two different context.

Without clarifition, as long as someone want to believe that they can get "other traits" with in-game currency, they can. Thus the illusion I spoke about can be considered fulfilled :)

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Jean:

A very valid interpolation of what was left unclear and ambiguous within the broken english and questionable choice of words like "other traits" used in two different context.

Without clarifition, as long as someone want to believe that they can get "other traits" with in-game currency, they can. Thus the illusion I spoke about can be considered fulfilled :)

OB will be on the 12th anyway. Pointless to speculate. This topic was made prior to the announcement of the changes.

[Zouls]

Originally posted by Jean:

A very valid interpolation of what was left unclear and ambiguous within the broken english and questionable choice of words like "other traits" used in two different context.

Without clarifition, as long as someone want to believe that they can get "other traits" with in-game currency, they can. Thus the illusion I spoke about can be considered fulfilled :)

They removed it from gacha to their own purchase direct system.

You are guaranteed the "new trait" of the league if you buy a season pass, so 15 dollars every 3 months, ignoring everything else it gets.

The current trait of dot mage was already earned ingame i believe.

Is every trait going to be free? no, can you buy them directly? yes, is it going to be obscenely expensive, considering that you get it from a 15 dollar BP im gonna say no.

We could compare to POE as people are so happy to do, except they never added a new class or ascendency since ever.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by Zouls:

Originally posted by Jean:

A very valid interpolation of what was left unclear and ambiguous within the broken english and questionable choice of words like "other traits" used in two different context.

Without clarifition, as long as someone want to believe that they can get "other traits" with in-game currency, they can. Thus the illusion I spoke about can be considered fulfilled :)

They removed it from gacha to their own purchase direct system.

You are guaranteed the "new trait" of the league if you buy a season pass, so 15 dollars every 3 months, ignoring everything else it gets.

The current trait of dot mage was already earned ingame i believe.

Is every trait going to be free? no, can you buy them directly? yes, is it going to be obscenely expensive, considering that you get it from a 15 dollar BP im gonna say no.

We could compare to POE as people are so happy to do, except they never added a new class or ascendency since ever.

PoE 2 Baby!

Yeah, but the whole "DLC" Character like the Necromancer of Diablo 3 (I didn't buy it btw) is kind of painful. But it's w/e. I will play for as long as I enjoy it. If I enjoy it enough, I MAY buy the Season Pass, otherwise, that will be that.

[JCDD]

That's not very precise. Season 1 is gonna offer one new hero and three new hero traits. One out of them is gonna be totally free. New hero Thea is gonna come with the season pass. Only two others are gonna be like DLC contents and purchasable via a fixed price. We try to balance out the different groups' take on this.

New hero trait is not a hero reskin, it offers richness in choices in BD constructions. If there is a single system which will need most resources we pool in, it's new hero trait. Considering the complexity of the hero traits, we decide to monetize a part of the experience.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by JCDD:

That's not very precise. Season 1 is gonna offer one new hero and three new hero traits. One out of them is gonna be totally free. New hero Thea is gonna come with the season pass. Only two others are gonna be like DLC contents and purchasable via a fixed price. We try to balance out the different groups' take on this.

New hero trait is not a hero reskin, it offers richness in choices in BD constructions. If there is a single system which will need most resources we pool in, it's new hero trait. Considering the complexity of the hero traits, we decide to monetize a part of the experience.

Will they be premium for a limited amount of time or for ever? As in, after the season end, will they join the F2P pool?

[ReservoirShugo]

I would imagine premium will be premium for good and will rotate with every 3 month battlepass, which is fine imo as they do actually need to make SOME money

The fact that they removed the gacha from the game is a HUGE deal and should be lauded tbh as rarely do devs actually listen to feedback usually they just double down into predatory practice (looking at you DIablo Immor{t}al)

Got high hopes for this game tbh just torn between this and Undecember, it can only be one that I play as have things like a real life and a job to take care of too lol

[Elveone]

Originally posted by ReservoirShugo:

I would imagine premium will be premium for good and will rotate with every 3 month battlepass, which is fine imo as they do actually need to make SOME money

The fact that they removed the gacha from the game is a HUGE deal and should be lauded tbh as rarely do devs actually listen to feedback usually they just double down into predatory practice (looking at you DIablo Immor{t}al)

Got high hopes for this game tbh just torn between this and Undecember, it can only be one that I play as have things like a real life and a job to take care of too lol

They didn't say they removed gacha from the game.

[ReservoirShugo]

the only gacha left is pact spirits and their impact is like 15-20% damage increase and 25% loot increase with maxxed out legendary pets, lets compare that to DI where 5 star legendary gems mean you can be throwing out like 20x the damage of a f2p, so as far as p2w and gacha whilst it might not be removed entirely it is far less impactful

THe biggest issue was the trait rerolling costs imo and these have been removed to the BP inclusion

Overall the way the devs are treating the game is far better than most others imo

[Elveone]

Originally posted by ReservoirShugo:

the only gacha left is pact spirits and their impact is like 15-20% damage increase and 25% loot increase with maxxed out legendary pets, lets compare that to DI where 5 star legendary gems mean you can be throwing out like 20x the damage of a f2p, so as far as p2w and gacha whilst it might not be removed entirely it is far less impactful

THe biggest issue was the trait rerolling costs imo and these have been removed to the BP inclusion

Overall the way the devs are treating the game is far better than most others imo

Considering that the traits were only a small part of the gacha system to begin with and they are sidegrades the situation is not that much different than it started.

[GrandpaTrump]

Originally posted by ReservoirShugo:

the only gacha left is pact spirits and their impact is like 15-20% damage increase and 25% loot increase with maxxed out legendary pets, lets compare that to DI where 5 star legendary gems mean you can be throwing out like 20x the damage of a f2p, so as far as p2w and gacha whilst it might not be removed entirely it is far less impactful

THe biggest issue was the trait rerolling costs imo and these have been removed to the BP inclusion

Overall the way the devs are treating the game is far better than most others imo

LOL

Comparing it to DI to make a point on how it's less P2W is not a good argument

[Grandork]

Originally posted by GrandpaTrump:

Originally posted by ReservoirShugo:

the only gacha left is pact spirits and their impact is like 15-20% damage increase and 25% loot increase with maxxed out legendary pets, lets compare that to DI where 5 star legendary gems mean you can be throwing out like 20x the damage of a f2p, so as far as p2w and gacha whilst it might not be removed entirely it is far less impactful

THe biggest issue was the trait rerolling costs imo and these have been removed to the BP inclusion

Overall the way the devs are treating the game is far better than most others imo

LOL

Comparing it to DI to make a point on how it's less P2W is not a good argument

I mean... Is there any other famous ARPG that was cellphone centered. It may not be a good point, but it's a point non-the-less.