American McGee's Alice - anyone know where I can get a copy?

[Hi, I'm Daft]

Was hoping to find a cheap version online somewhere, but it doesn't look like anyone has a digital version. There are some third-party Amazon sellers, but not sure if I wanna go that route.

I never played the original, but after playing about an hour of Madness Returns, I can tell I'm missing out on A TON by not knowing the story of the first game.

[psykhiqzero]

I think if you buy the "Deluxe" version of AMR from EA origins it comes with the original. Same with AMR for the PS3. I'm playing it now on the ps3. while i'm too early to talk about the story. I will warn you to temper your expectation about gameplay. It's a old game and not as refined as some of the stuff you probably used to. It actually plays more like an fps then a action platformer.

[Hi, I'm Daft]

Dude, I KNOW how bad this game is. I said I never played it, not that I know nothing about it. I don't think the gameplay for MR is that good either, but it's one of those truly dark storylines you don't see too often in video games.

I avoided the original one, because it scared the crap out of me when I was a kid (I was 12 when it came out), but now I can tolerate it. And, like I said, MR is just too integrated into the story of AMA, I'll miss too much if I skip it completely.

EDIT: Also, just checked Origin's version, and it doesn't say anything about getting the original AMA with it. Must be a console-exclusive offer.

[MoOoOo]

I have the game,but have never finish chapter one,
I'm not sure how old the game is, bad graphic, bad control ,
character in game runs like a zombie...bad movement design.

I love Alice:madness returns soooooo much, it's one of my favorite game,
but I can't say I like American McGee's Alice.
After like 30 minutes gameplay one year ago and never touch it again

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[psykhiqzero]

Odd, the Ultimate digital collection for Alice is not available on origin anymore. But you can still buy it from amazon. It does suck a little that you wind up with another copy of AMR. The original is accessed from within AMR so you can't give it away...

http://www.amazon.com/Madness-Returns-Complete-Collection-Instant/dp/B00CC2U28E/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1448388466&sr=1-2&keywords=alice+madness+returns+complete

[MoOoOo]

Alice in Wonderland is better then American McGee's Alice.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561758598
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561758474
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561758535
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561758647
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561758712

[Groen90]

I liked the old one better, it has a ton of weapons, and each weapon has a standard attack and alternate attack... much more fun than MR, where you're stuck with basically 5 weapons the whole game.
Also the bosses... don't even get me started on the bosses, the original had actual boss battles, while here in MR it almost seems like they were planning it, but they gave up at a certain point: like at the end of the Hatter's Domain, with that cutscene with the giant robot... I was so hyped the first time I saw that, I was like "woah I gotta fight that thing, this gon be gud" aaaaand nope.
Playing MR after the original was kinda a disappointment, on those aspects... still a good game, it's just that... it could have been so much more...

But anyway... it seems the only way left to get it legally is buy the "complete collection" which includes both this game and the original, but you can buy that only from the US. Of course you can hope to find a physical copy somewhere, but the prices...
Or you can get the jack sparrow edition

Originally posted by MoOoOo:

Alice in Wonderland is better then American McGee's Alice.

are you for real dude

[Hi, I'm Daft]

@Groen: He's probably some kid that's younger than the game, don't give him too much of a hard time. They just can't appreciate how games used to be back in the day. Clunky, yes, but that difficulty tempered us like the fires of a smithy's forge. We know how to endure it.

[MoOoOo]

Thanks for the comment,Groen. glad you like the old one,
you have your memory,I got mine.

For me , I feel really "EMPTY" in memory for the old one,
I played AMR first, then go search for AMA; I watched the movie with
my parents , then go search the game of Alice in Wonderland.
There have some connect for me, not any like yours,maybe.

I'm just telling what I think about those games,and will never say
"oh, are you serious? " "you don't know appreciate" if someone don't like what I like,
I've tried, but I don't like them,really. I can say that 100 times.
that doesn't mean I don't respect who has happy memories with them.
sounds like everybody should to say I LIKE THEM to those old games.

Should I say "are you for real? you don't like Alice in wonderland !? "?
that is totally pointless.

[Xain kiddo]

Originally posted by MoOoOo:

I have the game,but have never finish chapter one,
I'm not sure how old the game is, bad graphic, bad control ,
character in game runs like a zombie...bad movement design.

I love Alice:madness returns soooooo much, it's one of my favorite game,
but I can't say I like American McGee's Alice.
After like 30 minutes gameplay one year ago and never touch it again :octodad:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561752512
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561752389
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561752688
I Love this outfit !
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=450488444

["ITS ME"Mr.Pro]

If you want too play the old one
Just buy Alice: Madness Returns - The Complete Collection
it comes with it you can find this game on ebay
amazon anywhere you please
well they bleeped out one website name lol
so i edited it out

[JH1000]

Originally posted by daft inquisitor:

@Groen: He's probably some kid that's younger than the game, don't give him too much of a hard time. They just can't appreciate how games used to be back in the day. Clunky, yes, but that difficulty tempered us like the fires of a smithy's forge. We know how to endure it.

I have been a gamer since the NES era and what you sad is utter nonsense. The games weren't harder back then at all. They were just generally badly designed. I can't think of many old games that are hard while I can think of dozens of modern games that are. And as a bonus, they are also not complete A S S visually and gameplay wise.

Anybody these days could play through the old stuff just like you did, that has nothing to do with not being able to endure it. The difference is that these days game creators know how to actually design games, while out of a hundred retro games maybe one was actually well crafted. If you wanted to play video games you usually had no choice but dealing with frustrating and dumb gameplay because almost all of them were bad (have a look at the NES, SNES, Genesis library, etc.). Tell me, why would someone growing up today who actually DOES have alternatives choose to play through stuff like that instead of playing one of the myriad good games out there instead?

You, my friend, are a victim of nostalgia, and adapting the "everybody who is trying to burst my bubble must be too young to understand" attitude is not really healthy.

[Hi, I'm Daft]

That's cute, you think that just because game design didn't have all of the little bits and bobs and "hold your hand" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as nowadays, it means they were "designed poorly". There were PLENTY of games during the NES and SNES era that were both designed well AND hard as balls to beat.

I'm not just relying on nostalgia for this, I think you're just talking out of your ass. Granted, I'm not saying all games of that era were designed well, nor am I saying that there weren't games that were hard only because they were poorly designed. But, just like today's standards, it runs the gamut. There were some good games, and some ♥♥♥♥ games, and there were both easy and hard games in both categories.

Also, the main point to my argument was that kids now adays are too cradled by hand-holding game design that they don't know how to endure it whenever that handholding doesn't exist -- because older games usually didn't have any crud like that in them. Sometimes a game just threw you into it and had to let you figure it out by yourself. And that wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but people like you choose to believe it was a deal-breaker. So, maybe you're just part of the same crowd that just doesn't know how to figure things out and deal with ♥♥♥♥ yourself. I never said that only kids nowadays were like that, there have been plenty of people like that throughout history.

[JH1000]

Originally posted by daft inquisitor:

That's cute, you think that just because game design didn't have all of the little bits and bobs and "hold your hand" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as nowadays, it means they were "designed poorly". There were PLENTY of games during the NES and SNES era that were both designed well AND hard as balls to beat.

I'm not just relying on nostalgia for this, I think you're just talking out of your ass. Granted, I'm not saying all games of that era were designed well, nor am I saying that there weren't games that were hard only because they were poorly designed. But, just like today's standards, it runs the gamut. There were some good games, and some ♥♥♥♥ games, and there were both easy and hard games in both categories.

Also, the main point to my argument was that kids now adays are too cradled by hand-holding game design that they don't know how to endure it whenever that handholding doesn't exist -- because older games usually didn't have any crud like that in them. Sometimes a game just threw you into it and had to let you figure it out by yourself. And that wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but people like you choose to believe it was a deal-breaker. So, maybe you're just part of the same crowd that just doesn't know how to figure things out and deal with ♥♥♥♥ yourself. I never said that only kids nowadays were like that, there have been plenty of people like that throughout history.

Any proof for that statement? Any studies that show "kids" these days couldn't beat old NES games?

I have seen plenty of young twitch.tv streamers that were born way after the SNES era stream first time playthroughs of this stuff and none of them seemed to do especially badly. What is your explanation for that?

Also, did it ever cross your mind that if people had had the opportunity to post on forums or look up tons of FAQs back in the old times they would have done that just like people do today? Do you even realize there were help hotlines run by Nintendo and co back then and they were super busy pretty much all day every day? Are you completely ignorant of all the gaming magazines of that time consisting mostly of walkthroughs and cheat sections? Your explanation for their popularity if people back then were better at figuring out stuff?

You are making claims without any basis, and actually all facts point toward those claims being wrong. That is exactly what annoys me about those wannabe tough gamers who call everybody pointing out most of their beloved classics aren't great and hard but rather ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and unaccessible. In fact there are about 20 NES games that are actually good, objectively speaking. I do like many more than that, but no, that doesn't make them good.

And a final word about handholding: A shame that people really think having awfully designed games that make you run around until you figure something out makes them good, and even more shameful that they think wasting enough time to figure out stuff like that is some form of skill. It is not. I beat plenty of games like that, but if I was playing them today I would simply look up a guide because I don't get any enjoyment or satisfaction from doing something that everybody can do when they invest enough time.
Every good NES or SNES/Gen era game had a fair amount of handholding, and that is not a coincidence.

[Okihara Jones]

American McGee's Alice was not a poorly designed game, in fact it made quite a splash when it released in 2001. The game, and its awesome soundtrack, are one of my top 10 pc faves. And while the graphics are dated, the game is indeed quite superior to its sequel.

American McGee himself, however, was a bit of a ♥♥♥♥. The oft-delayed sequel suffered because of that little flaw, and if I were to guess, has much to do with no publisher wanting anything to do with a third Alice game in the McGee series.

[Hi, I'm Daft]

EA may be the publisher, but we don't know anything about who owns the rights to the game. It's been fifteen years since its initial release. There could have been something in the contract designating that the rights to the game go back to American McGee after a certain period of time. That's not a terribly uncommon thing to do, though EA isn't particularly known for it either...