should we def play American McGee's Alice first?

[sage40]

I haven't played it but I don't see it on Steam

[BleppyBoo]

引用自 adams_apple：

American McGee's Alice is one of the worst games ever made. Madness Returns may be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ port but it is a far, far, FAR superior game. I don't know why people are lying, probably they just want you to suffer. Consider this ample warning to anyone thinking of playing that trash game.

I wouldn't call this port really bad, flawed sure and I wouldn't call Alice one of the worst games either. Frustrating at times sure but it's still a fun experience especially when you learn about the quick save and load keys.

[BleppyBoo]

Alice isn't necessarily necessary to experience before Madness Returns but it's still an enjoyable game. Both games have pretty satisfying ends that tie their loose ends so whether you start with Alice or Madness, you'll probably get a satisfying experience.

[sage40]

I just figured the lore was continuous like the two shadowman games

[BleppyBoo]

It is, but with or without the context of the original, Madness Returns is still good on its own. It's not like the first game ends on a cliff hanger. It's better to play the first for that context and knowledge of characters but I wouldn't say necessary.

[adams_apple]

引用自 BleppyBoo：

引用自 adams_apple：

American McGee's Alice is one of the worst games ever made. Madness Returns may be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ port but it is a far, far, FAR superior game. I don't know why people are lying, probably they just want you to suffer. Consider this ample warning to anyone thinking of playing that trash game.

I wouldn't call this port really bad, flawed sure and I wouldn't call Alice one of the worst games either. Frustrating at times sure but it's still a fun experience especially when you learn about the quick save and load keys.

How is this port not the worst? I've never had a game crash so much in my entire life, including unstable games with mods. It happens EVERY time I start it up the first time. At least 50% of the time the game crashes on load, or sometimes it just hangs on load. And that doesn't include the numerous quality of life issues like the insane mouse lag that can't be removed, the default frame rate cap of 31, and one of the levels in the game is impossible to proceed if the frame rate is any higher than 60. The UI was modified for keyboard help but does not change to controller buttons if you are using a controller, which you need due to the unplayable mouse lag. There are also items on the main menu that cannot be accessed with controller buttons, you have to switch to the mouse to reach them.

And yes, Alice1 really is that bad. The enemies all snipe you from afar but all of your weapons are close range. Alice's mana drains in just a few seconds, not even enough to kill a squad of enemies or even a couple of very tough enemies. Their attacks send you flying off of the platforms to an instant death and they spawn behind you without warning. The controls by themselves are just awful, jumping is completely non responsive and the weapon cool downs are way too long. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had.

[Kyller92 AKA Cinos]

Story wise it's not mandatory, but American Mcgee Alice is a really great game. It'd be a shame to miss it.

[Labyrinth2 0]

Story wise, I would since this game is a sequel to American McGee's: Alice. Love the game and highly recommend it since I beaten both of them on Xbox 360.

[Mexicutioner]

The original game almost had a Marilyn Manson OST, Mcgee was good buddies with Manson around that time.

[zero hope >:(]

Gameplay-wise the first game is rudimentary and hardly withstands any criticism nowadays. The nightmare it offers, however, is far more disturbing.
https://youtu.be/xluZlCEWNYA