Shotgun is useless...

[MothMook]

Is it just me or shotguns are barely usable in v45? Shot a spider 4 times - 0 damage, shot a mimic 2 times - didn't feel it (don't tell me that this is a skill issue). Only if you are lucky you can kill SOME enemies with one shot... Some enemies are just invincible for no reason like Jester, eyeless dog (only for shotguns, lol), Giants, Hygrodere, SCP-173 wannabe. And since hitboxes (or shotgun shots) are broken it feels like shovel is a better choice since it is way more reliable in terms of actually dealing damage and it is a lot easier to get. Why not make it so you can kill a giant with 2 shots from a shotgun? Why not give shotgun a buff allowing it to kill enemies you can't kill with a shovel and fix related bugs thus making shotgun much more profitable considering the fact that the only way to obtain this weapon is via killing a strong and dangerous enemy?

[Sasha Mason]

The shotgun is pretty strong, I have one shot Thumpers with it and if you have several lootbugs all clumped up, you can kill all of them with one shot. Not to mention, the easiest way to get more shotguns is by already having one.

I disagree with your argument that shotguns are useless because of enemies that you cannot kill with it. The shovel has the exact same limitations. The shotgun isn't useless because of enemies you cannot kill, else the shovel would be equally as useless, it's more like combat in general is discouraged and you cant trivialize every encounter by having a weapon.

Fighting is oftentimes useless, but that isn't a shotgun issue specifically.

[MothMook]

Originally posted by Sasha Mason:

The shotgun is pretty strong, I have one shot Thumpers with it and if you have several lootbugs all clumped up, you can kill all of them with one shot. Not to mention, the easiest way to get more shotguns is by already having one.

I disagree with your argument that shotguns are useless because of enemies that you cannot kill with it. The shovel has the exact same limitations. The shotgun isn't useless because of enemies you cannot kill, else the shovel would be equally as useless, it's more like combat in general is discouraged and you cant trivialize every encounter by having a weapon.

Fighting is oftentimes useless, but that isn't a shotgun issue specifically.

Yes, but i'm talking about the actual bug in the currnet version (v45) where you simply can't hit your enemies no matter what. When it happens it is very annoying since you are just wasting your valuable ammo and sometimes it results in you getting killed and this bug isn't even that rare to ignore it. Plus, giving shotgun some advantages over shovel actually makes sense to me, since shotgun isn't something you can get early in the game + it's not that easy to get it later and there's always not much ammo for it to use it too often. Not to mention situations where you can't get in/out of your ship because of 2 giants or dogs (invincible enemies) constantly camping the exit or Jester who spawned in too early making the run a lot harder.
Player DO need at least something to deal with Giants.

Nutcracker spawn chances:
41-Experimentation ~1%
220-Assurance ~1%
56-Vow 0%
21-Offense ~2%
61-March ~3%

85-Rend 100%
7-Dine ~60%
8-Titan ~32%

[Kasper Kroenen]

Originally posted by MothMook:

Originally posted by Sasha Mason:

The shotgun is pretty strong, I have one shot Thumpers with it and if you have several lootbugs all clumped up, you can kill all of them with one shot. Not to mention, the easiest way to get more shotguns is by already having one.

I disagree with your argument that shotguns are useless because of enemies that you cannot kill with it. The shovel has the exact same limitations. The shotgun isn't useless because of enemies you cannot kill, else the shovel would be equally as useless, it's more like combat in general is discouraged and you cant trivialize every encounter by having a weapon.

Fighting is oftentimes useless, but that isn't a shotgun issue specifically.

Yes, but i'm talking about the actual bug in the currnet version (v45) where you simply can't hit your enemies no matter what. When it happens it is very annoying since you are just wasting your valuable ammo and sometimes it results in you getting killed and this bug isn't even that rare to ignore it. Plus, giving shotgun some advantages over shovel actually makes sense to me, since shotgun isn't something you can get early in the game + it's not that easy to get it later and there's always not much ammo for it to use it too often. Not to mention situations where you can't get in/out of your ship because of 2 giants or dogs (invincible enemies) constantly camping the exit or Jester who spawned in too early making the run a lot harder.
Player DO need at least something to deal with Giants.

Nutcracker spawn chances:
41-Experimentation ~1%
220-Assurance ~1%
56-Vow 0%
21-Offense ~2%
61-March ~3%

85-Rend 100%
7-Dine ~60%
8-Titan ~32%

I actually agree with you, the giants need to be looked at. Even hiding behind a tree, they often find you if they saw you before and some maps there is almost nowhere to hide. Giants camping, or even multiple, is almost game-over. The shotgun bug is real as I've hit a mimic 2 times point blank and it refused to die. I think dogs can't be killed by shotguns, as we've been shooting it point-blank multiple times by now. The hitbox of dogs is also screwed.

Tbh, I think these things will be fixed eventually, but I think we just have to accept there are still quite some bugs and inaccuracies in enemies behavious that eventually should be smoothed out.

[Purple]

giant is unkillable i think
jester is 100 percent unkillable
and hygrodere is for a fact unkillable
dont even bother with hygrodere hitting it only makes it faster

[Bred]

skill issue, i feels like doomguy when using it, mimic is 1 hit kill when aim to the head

[M3R]

What is a hygrodere??

[Bred]

Originally posted by M3R:

What is a hygrodere??

the slime / blob thing

[M3R]

Originally posted by Bread:

Originally posted by M3R:

What is a hygrodere??

the slime / blob thing

oh

[Narm]

Pretty sure the Jester actually makes nearby enemies invulnerable to the shotgun. No idea if that's intentional or not

[Bred]

Originally posted by Narm:

Pretty sure the Jester actually makes nearby enemies invulnerable to the shotgun. No idea if that's intentional or not

does it really? i did not know that

[Narm]

Originally posted by Bread:

Originally posted by Narm:

Pretty sure the Jester actually makes nearby enemies invulnerable to the shotgun. No idea if that's intentional or not

does it really? i did not know that

Yeah. Saw some streamers complaining about it. The presence of a jester is usually why the shotgun doesn't work.

[Snow]

Skill issue?

[Bred]

Originally posted by Narm:

Originally posted by Bread:

does it really? i did not know that

Yeah. Saw some streamers complaining about it. The presence of a jester is usually why the shotgun doesn't work.

wow, i only used shotgun on mimic, nutcrackers which they are 1 shot if aim close to the head, never used it when jesters nearby because we just run outside

[Bred]

okay, after playing few hours with my friends after updated to version 47
on the challenge moon is insane,
3 coilheads 4 nutcrackers and the girl spawns shortly just about 3 minutes in the mansion
and it become more difficult to kill nutcrackers now, its got new tricks, move faster and moving while he aims...

[Dominic]

Originally posted by lethal company guy:

giant is unkillable i think
jester is 100 percent unkillable
and hygrodere is for a fact unkillable
dont even bother with hygrodere hitting it only makes it faster

the worm can kill the giant.

If you get grabbed as the worm comes out the worm will kill him instead if I am right.