Modders are people that keep Zeekerss out of trouble.

[Krizhni Chizo]

I'm gonna keep this as short as possible.

The only reason this game is still alive is because of modders who keep adding new stuff, new moons, fixing bugs, etc... (basically they are doing Zeekerss's job for free).

Are you still gonna defend multi-milionare 3 months after? He has our money now and he's enjoying it not caring about the game anymore. Probably the thing every single one of us would do so I can't blame him at this point, but I have every right to blame all of you who keep defending him living in a delusion that just because he is solo developer we have to see new v0.0001 update every 3 months.

*Jester defenders incoming*

[Sasha Mason]

Publicado originalmente por Σ ∞:

I keep seeing people go "he is solo indie dev" but with the success of the game I don't see why not recruit a team and actually make a proper studio, get the ball rolling, start fixing stuff and adding QoL features to the base game more frequently.

Because it's not as easy as simply "hiring more people". You not only need to find people who you can actually work with, those people will also be entirely unfamiliar with the existing code base. It can ultimately slow down development before it actually speeds things up.

I think the Satisfactory devs have explained this wonderfully before, if only I could find their video about it. But for the very few people that actually work on the game (credits show more than just one person btw, not completely solo), it may end up just distracting too much from actually making progress.

[Lunar Fang]

Publicado originalmente por Sasha Mason:

Because it's not as easy as simply "hiring more people". You not only need to find people who you can actually work with,

No it is, The Day Before literally wasn't paying anyone working on the game, people who just wanted to see the game succeed, volunteered their time to help, So there's no shortage of people and this game doesn't look very complicated coding wise.

The second is solo devs tend to have an ego complex. I would advise you to look up other "indie" devs who are and act like total pieces of ♥♥♥♥ to anyone who would offer them any kind of help, paid or otherwise.

Most of the people here don't know the dev personally, but he made my favorite game, he's a totally rad dude. That's scary logic to have. I'm not saying he's a horrible human being, but this is why you don't idolize strangers, you can see what happens when people do it on youtube and surprise, they're assaulting women, talking to minors.

[Sasha Mason]

Publicado originalmente por Lunar Fang:

Publicado originalmente por Sasha Mason:

Because it's not as easy as simply "hiring more people". You not only need to find people who you can actually work with,

No it is, The Day Before literally wasn't paying anyone working on the game, people who just wanted to see the game succeed, volunteered their time to help, So there's no shortage of people and this game doesn't look very complicated coding wise.

Are you like, actually comparing this to the scam of a game that "The Day Before" was? Yikes. Yeah, I saw how things were handled there, and I saw how it failed spectacularly.

[Lunar Fang]

Publicado originalmente por Sasha Mason:

Publicado originalmente por Lunar Fang:

No it is, The Day Before literally wasn't paying anyone working on the game, people who just wanted to see the game succeed, volunteered their time to help, So there's no shortage of people and this game doesn't look very complicated coding wise.

Are you like, actually comparing this to the scam of a game that "The Day Before" was? Yikes. Yeah, I saw how things were handled there, and I saw how it failed spectacularly.

Whooooooooooooosh

Let me clarify since you're hung up on just the game aspect. People would help him for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ free to continue the game because they're passionate about it. That there are people he could hire or even let them do some leg work for him.

Saying it's not easy is a total lie when people would do it because they love the game he created.

[Sasha Mason]

https://youtu.be/_IHY_1L3pBY?t=896
I guess the developers of an actual successful Early Access game that is going to launch into 1.0 release later don't know what they're talking about? Very interesting.

Like I said, it's not as simple as "Hiring more people to develop game faster", but imo you lost all credibility when you compared things to the literal scam game that flopped entirely. Nothing that The Day Before devs have done was good, it failed completely. Why even consider looking at that?

[ju_StingRay]

Your not wrong, but keeping in mind he is a team of one and games like this take time to develop.

[Stranger]

wdym he dont care? u seen his discord and twitter? he is making the biggest update this game has ever gotten

[wolfie']

Publicado originalmente por Piña:

I mean just because a passion project makes millions it doesn't mean that he owes us anything now.

He made a game it became popular, does that mean he has to stop looking at the game as a passion project and more as a business? No. Zeekers doesn't owe us anything.

i'm seeing it a lot around criticism of the game in general, and this argument is exhausting.

disregarding the completely post-corporatist hellscape redefinition of what an Early Access game actually is, yes. he does owe the consumer something. the game is marketed and sold with the explicit intention of being brought to a full release; which implies that it will be updated until that arbitrary point is reached. otherwise, it would be a full release game.


the argument that Early Access games "don't owe the consumer anything" is completely incongruous to the concept itself. you (hopefully) wouldn't make the same argument for the patrons of a Kickstarter not being owed the promised concept, or for a shareholder to not expect profit return. it's a disingenuous argument.

unless the game is a full release, further support is expected- and validly so. i personally don't expect more of the game from Zeekers, but that's because i don't expect more of any Early Access game anymore, now that the broad definition and standard of EA has been completely fxcked beyond belief.

yes, the subjective definitions of what "owe" or "early access" actually mean will muddy the waters of a conversation about this, but i feel like most rational people can instinctually reason it themselves. not holding product developers to a standard of expectation that they set is reductive and harmful to the longevity of a healthy consumer market.

i don't think i need to explain how unhealthy and regressive it has already become as a result of argument and mentalities like that.

[Virtus]

People love mindlessly defending poor management and planning. People don't realise that Zeekers himself stated that he wanted to update the game every 1-2 weeks. He scrapped that idea and wanted to do much bigger updates, fine. Then there's radio silence with the updates/progression. It doesn't take a genius to understand this is killing the game. By all means Lethal Company will not die but it's hurting it.

[Klam]

Ya'll entitled little brats. Dude has stated he wants to release bigger updates less often to make them feel better when released. Your parents should have taught you patience at a much younger age. embarrassing.

[Piña]

Hey atleast Lethal Company feels like an actual game compared to that other game that was a total scam for double the price, You know that funny spider train game.

[chromium]

youre a moron i dont gotta say anything else

[Nico]

You sound so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ entitled ew its a 1 man game you paid 10 bucks for it and what you expect an update every week or what????

[Sammadily]

Stop stoking the flames, that's what OP wants. let this discussion bait extinguish.

[Obsidus]

This guy is completely right, the game is so unbelievably bland without mods it's unbearable. There hasn't been a proper update for this game in forever, many other indie developers are far quicker to update than this millionare who doesn't care about the game any longer since he is rich.