Do CAWS still slow down the game loading time?

[KaosRebourne]

What the title says.

[MacGyver]

you betcha! the more images you have downloaded the longer the game takes to load. if you have too many the game just turns into a brick.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by MacGyver:

you betcha! the more images you have downloaded the longer the game takes to load. if you have too many the game just turns into a brick.

So to clarify: you're confirming firsthand (as in you've actually experienced this) that if you download enough CAWs then, like last year, eventually load times become progressively long until finally it just fails to load and stops responding or crashes again unless you delete some of them? (That's how it was last year.) If so, can I ask: does the issue from last year where eventually if you have too many things like images on CAWs and arenas just start disappearing during matches too?

[Highway]

Yes, they do... so invest in a faster NVME and also be aware theres a hidden 8GB cache file in C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\WWE 2K23\prebakeCache.bin same as last years game. So if your C: drive is slower than where the game is installed.... thats a likely reason too. You can make a dynamic linked shortcut to move that to faster storage.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by Highway:

Yes, they do... so invest in a faster NVME and also be aware theres a hidden 8GB cache file in C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\WWE 2K23\prebakeCache.bin same as last years game. So if your C: drive is slower than where the game is installed.... thats a likely reason too. You can make a dynamic linked shortcut to move that to faster storage.

While this undeniably helps, those issues were present last year irrespective of having a good NVMe. The issue simply took longer to become apparent cumulatively or required more downloads. It would still manifest before reaching the CAW slot cap. And would entail stability issues beyond simply slow loading. This was a software engineering issue on the game's end and not hardware dependent, merely hardware limitable. It was essentially the very same soft cap issue that 2K19 suffered from (a legacy codebase issue.) I'm trying to ascertain from people whether that's improved or eliminated this year or not.

[Hinki]

Can vouch that with some decently high amount of CAWs my MyGM mode just bricks out on the load screen after a week is finished. Noticeably has a strobe loading indicator, no drive activity, crashpad instantly launching though no crash prompt shows up etc

[Shorty Tellez]

they will never fix this

[JDOGGOKUSSJ2]

i'll say this they ended up fixing it with 22 eventually, i had a game with close to 100 caws and the load times wasn't that bad (after they patched it) so i doubt its worse than 22
but i got the standard edition so i cant test for myself yet but will make a followup comment when i do.

[Khajiit Has Wares]

I'm also waiting to see how bad the loading times get. If it takes a minute or two to load an 8 caw match I can accept that, but in 2k22 I had one match take over an hour to load. (I let it sit there because I was so mad at the game at the time, it did eventually load surprisingly)

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by JDOGGOKUSSJ2:

i'll say this they ended up fixing it with 22 eventually, i had a game with close to 100 caws and the load times wasn't that bad (after they patched it) so i doubt its worse than 22
but i got the standard edition so i cant test for myself yet but will make a followup comment when i do.

Bear in mind that the issue as it manifested last year was also dependent on what we downloaded, not just how many. E.g. 50 CAWs with max layers and tons of custom images and a ton of created arenas that were also highly detailed and full of images, could cause more problems than 100 simpler CAWs with few images and layers. So factor that in when testing.

Originally posted by Blame Gary:

I'm also waiting to see how bad the loading times get. If it takes a minute or two to load an 8 caw match I can accept that, but in 2k22 I had one match take over an hour to load. (I let it sit there because I was so mad at the game at the time, it did eventually load surprisingly)

Yes, this is why I mentioned earlier that having an NVMe didn't resolve the issue for some. It certainly helped, but several people I knew still had 20+ minute loads for 8 CAW matches in custom arenas.

I'm really hoping this has been substantially improved this year. Thus far reports are mixed, and the game likely isn't available to enough players yet (most don't do early access presumably) to truly see enough reports to get an idea.

[JDOGGOKUSSJ2]

Originally posted by Aikido:

Originally posted by JDOGGOKUSSJ2:

i'll say this they ended up fixing it with 22 eventually, i had a game with close to 100 caws and the load times wasn't that bad (after they patched it) so i doubt its worse than 22
but i got the standard edition so i cant test for myself yet but will make a followup comment when i do.

Bear in mind that the issue as it manifested last year was also dependent on what we downloaded, not just how many. E.g. 50 CAWs with max layers and tons of custom images and a ton of created arenas that were also highly detailed and full of images, could cause more problems than 100 simpler CAWs with few images and layers. So factor that in when testing.

oh i had bunch of custom images all my caws and arenas was vtubers with custom images to make them look accurate and hit the image limit a few times and had to delete some
you can check my yt to see the detailed caws im tallkig about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7f2TW_HLr8&t=6830s

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by JDOGGOKUSSJ2:

Originally posted by Aikido:

Bear in mind that the issue as it manifested last year was also dependent on what we downloaded, not just how many. E.g. 50 CAWs with max layers and tons of custom images and a ton of created arenas that were also highly detailed and full of images, could cause more problems than 100 simpler CAWs with few images and layers. So factor that in when testing.

oh i had bunch of custom images all my caws and arenas was vtubers with custom images to make them look accurate and hit the image limit a few times and had to delete some
you can check my yt to see the detailed caws im tallkig about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7f2TW_HLr8&t=6830s

No doubt. It was a very difficult to quantify issue. Likely some specific combination of community creations caused it which, needless to say, means a ton of variability and difficulty in resolving the problem. All I can with certainty is that it happened across a large crossection of hardware configurations, including for people with more than adequate RAM and excellent NVMe's, as well as (most tellingly imo) on console where there's total hardware consistency from a QA standpoint. And that the only solution for those suffering from it was to delete a sufficient number of CAWs, arenas, and images.

And sadly this appears to be true this year as well. I'm seeing it from a lot of people. I'm hoping it's at least reduced, but that it's happening at all is disappointing. This is an issue that has been present in the series since 2K19. I won't buy these games until it's eliminated, if it can be. As I'm a heavy CAW user and that's the primary reason I play these games. CAW and Universe.

[76561198365383979]

When I want to play with created custom superstars, the game is loading very long and then it crashes. The match doesn't even start.

[76561198365383979]

It it possible to see how many logos a CAW have, before downloading it?

[ReverseLegSweep]

From what I can see on CC, not presently, no.

[76561198365383979]

I tried to make a 1on1 Match with a created superstar with just 0.5mb and it still loaded long and crashed down.