4 new characters on Beta Version.

[Andre]

https://i.ibb.co/RzYPxKp/new-chars.jpg

3 good ones and Jack.

[НА ПОБЕДКУ]

How to try betta? Dont know pass

[Eggplant]

Originally posted by НА ПОБЕДКУ:

How to try betta? Dont know pass

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1942280/discussions/0/3364775865379080757/

[Mike]

Cyborg seemed super strong.
I went Plank starting item, and aimed for 3 planks, 3 mini-gun/SMG/Shotgun long term.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2931069065

My healing turrets were healing for 15 each and I found an item that gave them +150% attack speed (new item that speeds up turrets based on your attack speed).

Killed the 3 elites and final bosses in seconds because +ranged damage is quadrupled.

[thunda]

I tried Cyborg with Wrenches and Screwdrivers, doesnt work too well. Planks are definitely the way to go, then you want to dump them for more guns after wave 19, unless going for Endless.

I wouldnt call the class particularly strong though. High B-tier. Extremely reliant on getting Ranged Damage above all else, so kind of an RNG class.

[Mike]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2931103162

Extra stomach seems great in this exact build.... I gained 280 max health from it on the new Glutton.

[thunda]

Jack is freaking garbage. Straight to bottom tier. The +50% dmg against bosses and elites might as well not exist

[Andre]

Not sure. After playing with him. The good side is there are less enemies and you get about the same resources. The upside isn't obvious from the numbers alone. You have to play it.
I used Laser guns which used to be bad but do a good job here.

[thunda]

Originally posted by Andre:

Not sure. After playing with him. The good side is there are less enemies and you get about the same resources. The upside isn't obvious from the numbers alone. You have to play it.
I used Laser guns which used to be bad but do a good job here.

So did I. Even with Silver Bullet and massive dmg on the Lasers, its still pretty bad. Definitely bottom-tier or near bottom tier.

Not enough DPS to deal with especially bosses quick enough, and gets no bonuses to survivability.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Andre:

Not sure. After playing with him. The good side is there are less enemies and you get about the same resources. The upside isn't obvious from the numbers alone. You have to play it.
I used Laser guns which used to be bad but do a good job here.

1/4 enemies and 3/1 enemy drops. Harvesting and such are at full power, but I'm not sure that that's "about the same resources".

[Andre]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by Andre:

Not sure. After playing with him. The good side is there are less enemies and you get about the same resources. The upside isn't obvious from the numbers alone. You have to play it.
I used Laser guns which used to be bad but do a good job here.

1/4 enemies and 3/1 enemy drops. Harvesting and such are at full power, but I'm not sure that that's "about the same resources".

I just compared it to what I usually get in a wave and it was the same.

[Eggplant]

You really want to get +% Enemies items on Jack (Gentle Alien, Mouse). A single Gentle Alien will change it from 25% Enemies to 30% Enemies, which is a 20% increase in income from killing enemies if you have the DPS for it.

[thunda]

Fking finally. 5 tries

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2931985538

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2931985675

These are the stats you need lol. Thanks to Eggplant tip, I realized that Gentle Alien is not merely +5% more enemies and +5% money in return, its +15% more money (tripled compared to the base) thanks to the buff. You really need those items. And Lasers are the way to go, forget about anything else (yay Lasers finally useful).

Luck dmg dealing items are good if you go for higher Luck stat, since there are relatively few enemies and tons of money which means all the dmg is concentrated on a few enemies.

Still a bad class, maybe not really garbage tier but its down there for sure.

[Bumc]

That +250% hp buff probably shouldn't work on bosses and elites for jack to be an actual elite-killer class. Any other class with those stats would mess bosses in 10 seconds

[Jaeus]

Originally posted by Bumc:

That +250% hp buff probably shouldn't work on bosses and elites for jack to be an actual elite-killer class. Any other class with those stats would mess bosses in 10 seconds

The bonus boss damage multiplier is so low the bosses are still twice as long to kill as they are for someone with no modifiers.
Jack is just pure downside.
I don't even know why enemies also deal bonus damage. The fact that they have so much more health makes them far more likely to catch you or block you way to damage you than normal enemies. They already, in effect, deal more damage from the HP buff.

If they intend him to be a challenge character, for runs intentionally even harder than normal, then he should be jammed at the back of the roster with the Danger unlock characters. Because it seems like he's supposed to be in that nebulous average with everyone else.

[Andre]

Jack is pretty strong with revolvers and Lasers. It's a character you can't judge by the numbers alone. I had an easy time with him than with the Glutton.