Historical incorectness in the game

[Chaos]

Cheers!

Pharraoh is a game based on the bronze age, and it tries to be authentical.

But there are some facts that turn this title into fantasy.

The Characters:

At 1205 BC we have fore shure Seti and Amenmesse in a fight for the throne and about 5 years later Tausret as Pharao. Bay was involved for sure in this age too.
RamsesIII were at this age a teenager. Irsu never a King, and not more than a bandit Supililuma the only one in Hatti because Krunta was a Cousin or oncle of his farther. He is old in the game but when he was a Cousin (the best choice) he were at least 50 years old in 1205 BC.
Tarhuntassa was place of a rebellion againsnst Hattussa and it is really probably that Kurunta not accept Suppiluliluma as a King, but this took place about 1210 BC. So Kurunta was probably dead in 1205 BC.
In the game there is a notice about a battle between RamsesIII and Kurunta, but there never was such a battle. Maybe it was against Ramses II, but never between Ramses III and Kurunta. I like Kurunta but there is no proof that he suvived the civil war against Suppiluiluma.
Much more possible, he was defeated by Suppiluiluma until he becomes king in 1217 to 1210 BC.
And for the sea people it is all fantasy. There are no save facts.

[Seti]

Sea people's leaders are the worst made-up thing.
should just be a fan mod to choose your favourite greek myth hero to lead the sea people.

[Kendji]

According to Dodson the actual figjting didn't start until after Merenptah died. One of the reasons may have been Amenmesse getting replaced by Merenptah as Viceroy of Kush just before.

It's true about Ramesses 3.

Be careful with the dates, every egyptologist/book tends to have different views than can vary decades. The 1203 bc is just a middle of the road standard between the different schools of Thaught. Also these have jumped around over time as well when new researsh has popped up.
According to this, the timeline do match. Even with Kurunta.
We don't actually know if there was a war between Kurunta and Suppiluliima. It's just one view based on limited evidence. Another possibility could be he was named king in Tarhuntassa and something happened to Suppi, so he took the title great king, of all Hatti or just independent Tarhuntassa is not known. But most Hittitologist lean towards a civil war.

What notice? Never heard about Ramesses Kurunta notice.

As to Sea Peoples, there are facts, they are just too few many times. The Peleset are amongst the better known bc of where they settled.

[Seti]

Originally posted by Kendji:

As to Sea Peoples, there are facts, they are just too few many times. The Peleset are amongst the better known bc of where they settled.

i believe OP is talking about the leaders of sea men, which are made-up by CA

[Shogun]

lets discuss your own incorrectness, ("incorectness")

where does it say irsu is a king at the start of the game? hes a bandit you say, in game it says warlord or something, not king. all his buffs suit a bandit. so its correct then?

its a game not a documentary fyi, he didnt have a bow that boosted his archers damage or stats to reduce upkeep either irl.

[IfThenOrElse]

Re: Irsu, I believe he really only gets mentioned once in the historical record (and there is some interpretations that he is in fact Bay) it's the kind of character that has a lot of question marks around them.

My main gripe around historical authenticity was that there were a few instances where more modern greek names for things were present in the game.
Egyptian > greek
Men Nefer > Memphis
Waset > Thebes
Mortuary Temple fo Amenhotep 3 > Colossi of memnon.

I made a mod that tweaked this here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3049311447

[Epervier]

There's a lack of informations and certitudes for this period. And, i think it's a good reason to use it for a game. Total War isn't a "realistic" game : you are a magician officer who can mind-control every own regiment in battle. This is the base gameplay since the first game. Total War must be a good representation with pop-culture of a specific period, never a true transcription.

As someone how study late antiquity, Attila is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of false idea about this period... but it's my favorite TW because he chooses a setting of post-apocalyptic view on it and it works very well.

[Andra]

Originally posted by Chaos:

Cheers!

Pharraoh is a game based on the bronze age, and it tries to be authentical.

But there are some facts that turn this title into fantasy.

You must have missed the dev interviews where they talk about exactly this in their pre-launch promotion.

[Henrique Lique]

to be honest the game is authentical. The facts that historical mistakes exists doesn't remove the autenthicity of the game.

[easytarget]

Say the word authentical out loud and you'll quickly conclude absolutely no one would ever use it in place of just saying authentic.

[Kendji]

Easy target, your really an easy target atm

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Khalifa:

Originally posted by Chaos:

Cheers!

Pharraoh is a game based on the bronze age, and it tries to be authentical.

But there are some facts that turn this title into fantasy.

You must have missed the dev interviews where they talk about exactly this in their pre-launch promotion.

[Chaos]

Of course i missed it. And i like the game. I played 700+ hours until now. And this is the reason why i was doing some research for this period for the first time.
I was surprised how few facts are known for this period. The only real known Charcter was Ramses III. All other Characters took place in the period between 1205 and 1190 BC besides Kurunta there are no known hints that he was alive after Hatti Civil war, which was obout 1210 or 1217 nobody knows. But for me it works , i love Kurununta and he could be an follower of himself or somethjing else...

[Chaos]

And I must say, that Kurunta is shown as a beast, is just the way all kurrupt opponents show their enemies. Of course , it is probably that Kurunta lose the civil war against Shupilililuma. And of course the one who lose is an animal. Certainly not, If Kuruna was the winner he was probably really normal, but he lose this war probably.
No known facts, just normal thoughts!

[Tyler]

Total war has and will never be 100 percent historically accurate...its always tried for authenticity and hollywood-esque historical flavors, as that appeals the majority of consumers. Idk what goggles people have been playing these games with. They are never going to make games like DEI or whatever other hardcore historical overhaul you can name.

[will.case1111]

Originally posted by Kendji:

Easy target, your really an easy target atm

It's "you're", as in "you are"

Use "your" for possession, e.g. This is my money and that is your money.
Hope this helps.

All the best

Willy C