Is Pharaoh a Saga game?

[coghlankids]

I was under the impression based on statements released by CA that it was a full scale historical title, a la Rome/Medieval/Empire, in terms of being about the late Bronze Age world.

It seems that the game includes Egypt, Canaan, and part of the Hittite Empire. I would have thought at least that it would have included Assyria, Babylon, Elam to the east, and Mycenean Greece, the origin lands of the Sea Peoples, and other places to the west. It feels a lot more like a "Saga" game but they don't exactly call it that.


Am I missing something here? Does anyone know what is in the promised DLC, and if it would expand out to include more of the Bronze Age collapse?

[Darth Alpharius]

No Its CA_Sofia's first major game ( they are a minor studio part of CA).
There is no Information what is in the DLC for all we guess it could expand the map north, south or even east for Factions.

[Andra]

Idk about the TW community, what "Saga" means to people seems to shift? However, what CA defined it as was spin-offs related to their major releases, focusing on flashpoints in history rather than eras. At this point, i think calling it a Saga title or not adds more confusion than clarification. It is *not* Rome/Med/Empire however, but it's certainly not focusing on a singular event either like Troy being focused entirely on the illyad and its heroes.
As far as i've heard, the 3 dlc's planned feature new factions and a map expansion but anything further is speculation afaik.

[Killersnipe]

It is not a SAGA game because they are not calling it one. In truth, evidence has leaked from devs inside the studio that it started out as a DLC for Saga Troy Total War but they made it its own Saga title to be able to sell it for more and then, following the failure of their FPS game code named Hyenas, they changed it from a Saga title to a full fledged historical title (in name only) in order to charge even more for it. It is now the highest priced Total War game in history but is built on the same WH 2 Total War engine derivative as Troy: Total War.

[Darth Alpharius]

Originally posted by Killersnipe:

It is not a SAGA game because they are not calling it one. In truth, evidence has leaked from devs inside the studio that it started out as a DLC for Saga Troy Total War but they made it its own Saga title to be able to sell it for more and then, following the failure of their FPS game code named Hyenas, they changed it from a Saga title to a full fledged historical title (in name only) in order to charge even more for it. It is now the highest priced Total War game in history but is built on the same WH 2 Total War engine derivative as Troy: Total War.

Evidence from a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ytuber with an Obsession disorder against CA for getting banned from the Partner Program should really be taken with a grain of salt, Plus Hyena's can't be a Faliure it was cancelled by the Publisher during Development.

[oOIYvYIOo]

It is not.

It is not the same era period.

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by Killersnipe:

It is not a SAGA game because they are not calling it one. In truth, evidence has leaked from devs inside the studio that it started out as a DLC for Saga Troy Total War but they made it its own Saga title to be able to sell it for more and then, following the failure of their FPS game code named Hyenas, they changed it from a Saga title to a full fledged historical title (in name only) in order to charge even more for it. It is now the highest priced Total War game in history but is built on the same WH 2 Total War engine derivative as Troy: Total War.

You must admit, if you need to go on a dedicated channel to read what has been posted on Steam and then back reposting on Steam because the post was originally leaked on Steam, you must be pretty stoned.

[dulany67]

In my opinion, yes.

But I'm not sure it matters. You nailed the issue in listing the nations/cultures that should be included if it were a full fledged historical. Even if they come in dlc, is that a good thing?

In the end, it doesn't matter what you call it because chopping up the game to make it a dlc platform gives you the same result. If they made Med3 and included GB, France, and Germany with dlc over time that added Spain, Italy, and Scandinavia would that be acceptable? It's not to me.

Apparently, given the sales, I'm not alone.

[Killersnipe]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Originally posted by Killersnipe:

It is not a SAGA game because they are not calling it one. In truth, evidence has leaked from devs inside the studio that it started out as a DLC for Saga Troy Total War but they made it its own Saga title to be able to sell it for more and then, following the failure of their FPS game code named Hyenas, they changed it from a Saga title to a full fledged historical title (in name only) in order to charge even more for it. It is now the highest priced Total War game in history but is built on the same WH 2 Total War engine derivative as Troy: Total War.

Evidence from a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ytuber with an Obsession disorder against CA for getting banned from the Partner Program should really be taken with a grain of salt, Plus Hyena's can't be a Faliure it was cancelled by the Publisher during Development.

Based on the Creative Assembly blog post on Saga games from 2017 it fits the characteristics of a Saga title;

"Sagas won’t be revolutionary new titles or introduce brand-new eras; they’ll follow-on from previous Total War games and inhabit the same time-period, or at the very least relate to it. But these are certainly Total War games."

It takes place in the same Bronze Age setting as Troy Total War, albeit without the fantasy elements, and even uses many of the same UI menus, resources, features etc. and even the same faction leader choosing screen as the former.

"In terms of core gameplay, it’s more about focus. There might be as many playable factions or conquerable territories in them, but that could all be focussed down to one specific region or country and a particular point in time... To help show the kind of scale we’re talking about, the game that I’m currently working on has a map that is comparable in gameplay size to Total War: ATTILA, but focused on a smaller geographic area"

The location focuses on a very narrow portion of the Middle East with that location zoomed in on and split into more territories like we saw with the British Isles map in the Thrones of Britannia Saga game.

So yes, it very much fits the description of a Saga title

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-announce-blog/#:~:text=Released%20under%20a%20new%20badge,rather%20than%20whole%20historical%20eras.

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by Killersnipe:

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Evidence from a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ytuber with an Obsession disorder against CA for getting banned from the Partner Program should really be taken with a grain of salt, Plus Hyena's can't be a Faliure it was cancelled by the Publisher during Development.

Based on the Creative Assembly blog post on Saga games from 2017 it fits the characteristics of a Saga title;

"Sagas won’t be revolutionary new titles or introduce brand-new eras; they’ll follow-on from previous Total War games and inhabit the same time-period, or at the very least relate to it. But these are certainly Total War games."

It takes place in the same Bronze Age setting as Troy Total War, albeit without the fantasy elements, and even uses many of the same UI menus, resources, features etc. and even the same faction leader choosing screen as the former.

"In terms of core gameplay, it’s more about focus. There might be as many playable factions or conquerable territories in them, but that could all be focussed down to one specific region or country and a particular point in time... To help show the kind of scale we’re talking about, the game that I’m currently working on has a map that is comparable in gameplay size to Total War: ATTILA, but focused on a smaller geographic area"

The location focuses on a very narrow portion of the Middle East with that location zoomed in on and split into more territories like we saw with the British Isles map in the Thrones of Britannia Saga game.

So yes, it very much fits the description of a Saga title

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-announce-blog/#:~:text=Released%20under%20a%20new%20badge,rather%20than%20whole%20historical%20eras.

You should get an update because they also have the Era class and Character class that fit the description.
https://www.totalwar.com/faq/

[VoiD]

It's no different from troy in size, scope, cultures, etc...

Removing the tag from the title doesn't change what the game is.

[Andra]

Originally posted by VoiD:

It's no different from troy in size, scope, cultures, etc...

Removing the tag from the title doesn't change what the game is.

Based on...?
How many hours did you put into Pharaoh so far?

[Muerte]

It's a saga in disguise

[Aluminum Elite Master]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

Plus Hyena's can't be a Faliure it was cancelled by the Publisher during Development.

That's not how business works, though.

If I spent potentially years developing something, then cancelled it, a whole variety of factors come into play. Tax write offs, insurance, etc. might heavily mitigate something cancelled in development *if* the original costs were not too severe during that time. But it could be the opposite if a tremendous amount of resources went to something that simultaneously outran insurance coverage as well as tied down resources that otherwise would have made a profitable product.

Hyenas is almost certainly a significant failure. For it to get to closed Beta, then be cancelled that far in, is an enormous shock. Like I've written elsewhere, truly awful games like the Golum LotR and the Redfall games got launched, so Hyenas must have been dreadful to get cancelled that far along production.

[HB]

Originally posted by coghlankids:

Is Pharaoh a Saga game?

Its a SEGA game. Saga do cruises not games.....

[oOIYvYIOo]

No it is not.