Never played this game before.

[Moonlight]

All I see is people fighting in the threads and complaining about the prices like any other JRPG. I want to know by the people who have played this game. How is the game compared to Hundred heroes? Its the only game I have played (A bit of rising too)

[Vex]

Well, no one has played the remasters yet as they aren't out, but as for the original Suikoden I & II.

Eiyuden Chronicles was the spiritual successor to the Suikoden series, so you'll notice a number of strong overlapping core gameplay elements. 6-Character parties, over a hundred characters to recruit (in the Suikoden games it's always 108 characters, not all of which can be used in combat parties), runes instead of rune lenses, etc...

That having been said, Eiyuden is a much newer game, with far more features than Suikoden I & II simply due to technical limitations at the time the first two games were created. For example, in the Suikoden games, you do build your base, but not by earning currencies or sending parties off on missions, but simply by recruiting more characters.

The key difference will be the story.

As someone who played the Suikoden games before Eiyuden, to me, Eiyuden was missing several critical elements that Suikoden has always possessed. I think the biggest would be the True Runes. While Eiyuden has it's, 'Primal Lenses,' they don't hold the same narrative significance as the True Runes. In each installment of Suikoden, the main character is the bearer of a True Rune, which makes them strong in combat, yes, but also means they must fight a war while struggling with the unique burden each rune places upon them. The True Runes have character and personality, unlike the Primal Lenses which just seem to exist.

What's more, Suikoden does not tiptoe around mature topics or themes.

To give an example, when Dux Aldrich invades Perrielle's lands and takes them, nothing really changes. Your MC can even run around the villages rife with enemy soldiers. Contrast this to Suikoden where your antagonists are much more intelligent and cruel. In the first two Suikoden games, if a village or town or city is occupied, you're not getting back in. In the second game, some are even destroyed, and right in front of the player's eyes (as opposed to how we learn the Dux killed an entire village of people off screen).

You'll also find that the child filter was left off. You won't be hearing, "Mean poopy face," or other childish lines. Characters will outright call one another bastards.

The first Suikoden's story is a bit by-the-trope for it's time, and in the original game (again, haven't played the remaster, can't speak for it), was fairly straight forward. Suikoden II, however, is where the story shines. It's a much longer game, far more involved in it's narrative, and incorporates more passive story-telling. I'd give examples, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers.

Anyways, to summarize it, in terms of gameplay elements, I'd say Eiyuden is superior, but it also has the benefit of FIVE mainline Suikoden games to build off of to achieve that. In terms of story, Suikoden is superior. I don't know if Bear and Rabbit simply ran out of time or what when it came to Eiyuden, but I personally found its story severely wanting.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by Vex:

Well, no one has played the remasters yet as they aren't out, but as for the original Suikoden I & II.

Eiyuden Chronicles was the spiritual successor to the Suikoden series, so you'll notice a number of strong overlapping core gameplay elements. 6-Character parties, over a hundred characters to recruit (in the Suikoden games it's always 108 characters, not all of which can be used in combat parties), runes instead of rune lenses, etc...

That having been said, Eiyuden is a much newer game, with far more features than Suikoden I & II simply due to technical limitations at the time the first two games were created. For example, in the Suikoden games, you do build your base, but not by earning currencies or sending parties off on missions, but simply by recruiting more characters.

The key difference will be the story.

As someone who played the Suikoden games before Eiyuden, to me, Eiyuden was missing several critical elements that Suikoden has always possessed. I think the biggest would be the True Runes. While Eiyuden has it's, 'Primal Lenses,' they don't hold the same narrative significance as the True Runes. In each installment of Suikoden, the main character is the bearer of a True Rune, which makes them strong in combat, yes, but also means they must fight a war while struggling with the unique burden each rune places upon them. The True Runes have character and personality, unlike the Primal Lenses which just seem to exist.

What's more, Suikoden does not tiptoe around mature topics or themes.

To give an example, when Dux Aldrich invades Perrielle's lands and takes them, nothing really changes. Your MC can even run around the villages rife with enemy soldiers. Contrast this to Suikoden where your antagonists are much more intelligent and cruel. In the first two Suikoden games, if a village or town or city is occupied, you're not getting back in. In the second game, some are even destroyed, and right in front of the player's eyes (as opposed to how we learn the Dux killed an entire village of people off screen).

You'll also find that the child filter was left off. You won't be hearing, "Mean poopy face," or other childish lines. Characters will outright call one another bastards.

The first Suikoden's story is a bit by-the-trope for it's time, and in the original game (again, haven't played the remaster, can't speak for it), was fairly straight forward. Suikoden II, however, is where the story shines. It's a much longer game, far more involved in it's narrative, and incorporates more passive story-telling. I'd give examples, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers.

Anyways, to summarize it, in terms of gameplay elements, I'd say Eiyuden is superior, but it also has the benefit of FIVE mainline Suikoden games to build off of to achieve that. In terms of story, Suikoden is superior. I don't know if Bear and Rabbit simply ran out of time or what when it came to Eiyuden, but I personally found its story severely wanting.

That's nice to hear. And yeah I know nobody has played the remastered lol. I meant the original one. Sorry for the confusion. Thank you by the way

[SimranZenov]

The first Suikoden is great, but pales in comparison to the second one. The storyline of Suikoden II is better than any RPG to date. I feel jealous. I wish I could erase my memory and play it again for the first time.

It will feel dated at first compared to newer games, but I highly suggest sticking with it. You won't regret it.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by SimranZenov:

The first Suikoden is great, but pales in comparison to the second one. The storyline of Suikoden II is better than any RPG to date. I feel jealous. I wish I could erase my memory and play it again for the first time.

It will feel dated at first compared to newer games, but I highly suggest sticking with it. You won't regret it.

Im sure I won't regret it

[Sinomor]

The first Suikoden is good still, but a bit limited in scope.
The second Suikoden is bigger and better in every way compared to the first one.
My favorite by just a bit is Suikoden five, but I doubt we'll ever see a remaster of it.
The third, forth and tactics installments are the biggest reason its no longer a franchise.

Do keep in mind though that you play Suikoden for the story and characters, not really the difficulty. You can quite easily beat the game without any min-maxing/farming. Actually min-maxing/farming will make it laughably easy.

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Suikoden 2 is the GOAT JRPG.

[FatalFramerate]

Suikoden 2 obliterates Eiyuden. It's not even close. Many consider it on par with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 as one of the greatest Jrpgs of all time.

[Abacus]

It does a great job at being a political military drama anime, in game form. Along with the large roster, and large player party. It was a master at giving a feel of several arcs to the story, like how an anime has the "so and so arc" etc.

IMO 2 is really the great game, but 1 is set only years behind 2 and is a continuation of the results of that conflict. Along with a save transfer, that gives some good things....

Some of the later games do certain things better and have more replay.

However, the experience of 1 & 2 as a story and it's story is 100% worth to anyone who has ever had an interest in JRPGs.

Its up there with Xenogears, in must play JRPG lore.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

These are the games Hundred Heroes was intended to be a spiritual successor to, overseen by the same director. Everyone is different and has different things that they love, nitpick, like, and dislike, and there are certainly ways Hundred Heroes differs from the original games. But in the broadest possible sense at least, if you loved Hundred Heroes you're probably likely to enjoy Suikoden I & II as well. Though YMMV.

As to what Suikoden I & II are and were, here's some videos that might be informative if you just want a general overview and some idea of how they were developed:

https://youtu.be/NGkjXoMZNCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_YKeO4ULL0

[Chris1984]

Originally posted by FatalFramerate:

Suikoden 2 obliterates Eiyuden. It's not even close. Many consider it on par with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 as one of the greatest Jrpgs of all time.

Well I think Chrono Trigger is a joke of a game. Laughable story, chilidish characters. Easily not even in the top 30 jrps.

FF6 does not hold a candle to other FF games in terms of story.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by Chris1984:

Originally posted by FatalFramerate:

Suikoden 2 obliterates Eiyuden. It's not even close. Many consider it on par with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 as one of the greatest Jrpgs of all time.

Well I think Chrono Trigger is a joke of a game. Laughable story, chilidish characters. Easily not even in the top 30 jrps.

FF6 does not hold a candle to other FF games in terms of story.

Uh oh. You better must be ready to get attacked lol. Not me though. I don't really mind about other peoples opinions. But I do know a lot of people will not be too happy

[Chris1984]

I just play Hundred Heroes and I looooove it so much. If Suikoden is even better I have a new top3 JRPG of all times.