Why are the characters just upscaled 1995 pixels?

[Junker-2047-]

Seriously jarring presentation. It looks like they remade the backgrounds in HD then just clicked "change image size" on all the sprites and slapped them in there.

Anyone at the studio know how to make 2D art?

[S4r1]

The game is ancient, they did some work on the graphics. The sound has been improved, a few bugs have been fixed and that's it.

This is not some reforged ♥♥♥♥ like Warcraft 3.

It is just a "remaster". And you will see difference between the "old" game size and the new....

I have no idea what you all always expect.... If you're not up for this game, don't bother people here about it.
If you're going to criticize, do it sensibly.


Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.
1-11-1, Ginza, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0061 Japan

Go and ask them.

[Kevin_Arn]

they dont want to lose the pixel art characters charm. so they just keep it

[Sorceress]

The character graphics are actually worse than the original, but that's down to the games supposed to be played on old fashioned TVs. It's the same reason why snes games look so dreadful today, I look at Super Mario World played on modern TVs and monitors and it's such an eye sore.

[BahamutXero]

I agree, they character spites are so bad. The character art is nice, but I can't get over all the pixels...so many pixels. I'd rather have them put use a decent shader by default. I've made SNES games look better on an emulator than this.

[Darth Gamer]

I agree with the OP, the pixel art is looks terrible for these characters. Honestly, why have these beautiful backgrounds only for a pixel art character to traverse through it? I for one am tired of the constant pixel art being used for these "remakes." I want some high detailed characters like they did in the PSP versions of Final Fantasy 1+2. Even the pixel remasters of the FF series are tiresome. Anyone else over the pixel art? If anything, make clean characters to match the remade backgrounds and give us a toggle setting to turn pixel art on for the characters.

[JereCity]

i heckin love Suikoden

[S4r1]

Originally posted by Darth Gamer:

I agree with the OP, the pixel art is looks terrible for these characters. Honestly, why have these beautiful backgrounds only for a pixel art character to traverse through it? I for one am tired of the constant pixel art being used for these "remakes." I want some high detailed characters like they did in the PSP versions of Final Fantasy 1+2. Even the pixel remasters of the FF series are tiresome. Anyone else over the pixel art? If anything, make clean characters to match the remade backgrounds and give us a toggle setting to turn pixel art on for the characters.

The original GAME was in that graphic... so your argument of being tired by using this pixel art... is a little bit weird.

[Elvis Prime]

It is a remaster and not a remake. They remade far more than i expected. I'd like some filters and options for the pixel art, but it was a large part of the charm of the originals. If they replaced it with some 3D models or totally different art, you'd get way MORE complaints I'd think

[Sorceress]

Originally posted by Lost:

The original GAME was in that graphic... so your argument of being tired by using this pixel art... is a little bit weird.

I played both games on release back in the 90's, the issue is that those graphics were meant to be played on a much lower resolution TVs, the original games looked much smoother and less blocky. Trying to port the game on systems with much higher resolution ends up in this pixilated blocky mess people are complaining about.

[Elvis Prime]

Originally posted by Sorceress:

Originally posted by Lost:

The original GAME was in that graphic... so your argument of being tired by using this pixel art... is a little bit weird.

I played both games on release back in the 90's, the issue is that those graphics were meant to be played on a much lower resolution TVs, the original games looked much smoother and less blocky. Trying to port the game on systems with much higher resolution ends up in this pixilated blocky mess people are complaining about.

I often say this about the originals. Suikoden 1 does NOT age well. The graphics look terrible on any modern display. Suikoden is much better, but those sprites were not designed for HD, they looks far less good now than they did then. I hope they have filters

[BloodyPork]

It's too much work to remake the pixels.

Konami is just trying to cash in nostalgia factor, don't expect too much. I do hope the remake sells well though, so they might make the 6th game, but it is very unlikely unless this thing is making big bucks (which it won't).

[4kBuddz]

I was looking forward to it, until I saw the video, I don't understand the "charm" factor of pixel characters. It's my opinion as well as another, that they are just using the sales of this to test the waters of making a 6th installment. Sad though, it's too distracting to play this on a 34 inch ultrawide, or a 40 inch 4k, with characters that large in pixels. Sorry, deal breaker.

[BahamutXero]

@4kBuddz

I 100% agree. I know they redid the FF Pixel Remasters so they at least look decent on modern TV's. I'm not sure why Konami isn't taking the similar similar initiative. I love the Suikoden series and would enjoy playing it again with updated graphics, but unless they do something quick before release, these original pixels don't help their cause at all I will not be buying this.

[BloodyPork]

Y'all expecting too much from Konami... surely you can see their track record in the last few decades?

If they actually care about the IP right now we will be playing a 3d latest gen Suikoden 8 or something instead of talking about a minimum effort remaster. Look at what final fantasy were during suikoden era, and look at final fantasy now.

[Blackdark]

The pixel art still looks great you dingbats. Do you guys complain about the pixel art in Chrono Trigger or Octopath Traveler as well?

You don't want to have them use a filter on the sprites, look at the FF mobile ports that were universally panned for the "Improved Smooth Sprites".

The cost of re-doing tens of thousands of pixel art frames by hand would balloon the budget massively and this is not a series that has had the financial success of FF. So the only choices were:
A.) Keep it the same.
B.) Use a filter to do it cheap, but badly.
C.) Redo all the pixel art by hand in a series with a niche audience and forfeit most of your profits.

If it ain't broke...