This game looks a lot like Shinobido: Way of the Ninja

[Zentun]

I used to play this game on my PS2 "Shinobido: Way of the Ninja" damn i loved so much that game, apparently it's the same devs of this game "Kamiwaza: Way of the Thief".

Can we expect to have "Shinobido: Way of the Ninja" here on Steam as well? i would love to re play that game.

[Doctor TacoChocolate]

This game is notably better than Shinobido, which was terrible. This one's more average. Shinobido's rights are held by Spike Chunsoft, so they'd have to do that. Kamiwaza was only re-released because Acquire kept the rights to it.

[dprog1995]

Shinobido is one of the best stealth games of all time. Don't call it "terrible".

[Doctor TacoChocolate]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Shinobido is one of the best stealth games of all time. Don't call it "terrible".

I've been playing it recently. It's absolutely terrible. The controls are horrid, the AI is insipid and ridiculous, and the missions are endlessly recycled, even an hour in. Within the first couple of hours, you'll see the same exact missions repeated with no variation. The enemy AI goes full-on braindead whenever anything outside of the narrow programming scope doesn't go according to plan. The sword attacks are useless and the absolute clunkiest thing imaginable. Metal Gear Solid 3 came out in like 2004 and is still one of the ACTUAL best stealth games of all time. Shinobido plays like a pile of rancid garbage compared to MGS 3.

[peep]

Originally posted by Doctor TacoChocolate:

This game is notably better than Shinobido, which was terrible. This one's more average. Shinobido's rights are held by Spike Chunsoft, so they'd have to do that. Kamiwaza was only re-released because Acquire kept the rights to it.

No it was not terrible lol. It's ACQUIRE's best title from a gameplay standpoint.

[Zentun]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Shinobido is one of the best stealth games of all time. Don't call it "terrible".

I love shinobido, i had a great time playing it back then when i had my PS2, i finished it so may times lol, it's one of my favorite games from the PS2 era and i really would love to play it again, i hope they bring it to Steam.

[Doctor TacoChocolate]

Originally posted by Mongjin:

Originally posted by Doctor TacoChocolate:

This game is notably better than Shinobido, which was terrible. This one's more average. Shinobido's rights are held by Spike Chunsoft, so they'd have to do that. Kamiwaza was only re-released because Acquire kept the rights to it.

No it was not terrible lol. It's ACQUIRE's best title from a gameplay standpoint.

That's insanely sad for Acquire.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by Zentun:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Shinobido is one of the best stealth games of all time. Don't call it "terrible".

I love shinobido, i had a great time playing it back then when i had my PS2, i finished it so may times lol, it's one of my favorite games from the PS2 era and i really would love to play it again, i hope they bring it to Steam.

If they ever remaster it then they should allow players to share levels with eachother in workshop.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Shinobido is one of the best stealth games of all time. Don't call it "terrible".

Putting that game alongside the likes of Thief, MGS, Splinter Cell, Hitman, Commandos, etc, is laughable.

[dprog1995]

No it's not laughable.

Splinter cell ,thief and commandos are basically "save the game constantly. Quickload the game whenever the enemy spotted you and try again."

Shinobido was released on PS2 and compared to MGS 3 it is a far better stealth game.


Shinobido has:
-better framerate.MGS 3 had one of the worst framerate among ps2 games.

-better controls. MGS 3 used terrible pressure sensitive controls and it had worse aiming mechanic compared to 1999's Syphon Filter 1 on ps1.

-Better camera.MGS 3 have a terrible camera. This is the only issue that was fixed in the subsistance version of MGS 3.

-Bigger levels.MGS 3 levels were so small because developers focused more on graphics than gameplay. Shinobido also had more enemies on screen.

-more levels. Developers behind MGS 3 chose to fill the disc with lots of stupid and pointless cutscenes and dialogues instead of making more levels for that game. You slso had a level editor in Sinobido which MGS franchise never had that.

-more replay value. MGS 3 just has harder difficulties while in Shinobido you have the freedom to choose your missions outside of some few ones. Sinobido also has stuff like enemies hiring some ninja clans to try to stop you. Enemies might also get some buffs or nerfs in shinobido when you play a mission but in MGS 3, the only way to nerf enemies is to backtrack in the game after you blow up some of their stuff.

-better actual stealth gameplay.
In MGS 3, you just go to first person view and use your tranquilizer to snipe enemies far away. It also doesn't help that MGS 3 forces you to spend a lot of time in pause screen.
"Did you move on a new terrain ? Pause the game and change your camoflauge. Do that again after crawling a few meters."
"Are you injured/poisoned in middle of action ? Pause the game and heal yourself "

-In MGS 3, the game doesn't even force you to use stealth. In majority of areas you can just run to your destination without caring about the enemies.(And in the next area you can just let enemies kill you one time to make the game load you into that area without being on alert.)
At least shinobido encourages you to use stealth since enemies are can actually easily overpower snd kill you.

MGS 5 managed to get close to Shinobido but that has lots of boring parts(Traveling from one base to another, unskippable heli rides, not enough variety in mission design) that puts it below Shinobido for me.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

No it's not laughable.

Splinter cell ,thief and commandos are basically "save the game constantly. Quickload the game whenever the enemy spotted you and try again."

Shinobido was released on PS2 and compared to MGS 3 it is a far better stealth game.


Shinobido has:
-better framerate.MGS 3 had one of the worst framerate among ps2 games.

-better controls. MGS 3 used terrible pressure sensitive controls and it had worse aiming mechanic compared to 1999's Syphon Filter 1 on ps1.

-Better camera.MGS 3 have a terrible camera. This is the only issue that was fixed in the subsistance version of MGS 3.

-Bigger levels.MGS 3 levels were so small because developers focused more on graphics than gameplay. Shinobido also had more enemies on screen.

-more levels. Developers behind MGS 3 chose to fill the disc with lots of stupid and pointless cutscenes and dialogues instead of making more levels for that game. You slso had a level editor in Sinobido which MGS franchise never had that.

-more replay value. MGS 3 just has harder difficulties while in Shinobido you have the freedom to choose your missions outside of some few ones. Sinobido also has stuff like enemies hiring some ninja clans to try to stop you. Enemies might also get some buffs or nerfs in shinobido when you play a mission but in MGS 3, the only way to nerf enemies is to backtrack in the game after you blow up some of their stuff.

-better actual stealth gameplay.
In MGS 3, you just go to first person view and use your tranquilizer to snipe enemies far away. It also doesn't help that MGS 3 forces you to spend a lot of time in pause screen.
"Did you move on a new terrain ? Pause the game and change your camoflauge. Do that again after crawling a few meters."
"Are you injured/poisoned in middle of action ? Pause the game and heal yourself "

-In MGS 3, the game doesn't even force you to use stealth. In majority of areas you can just run to your destination without caring about the enemies.(And in the next area you can just let enemies kill you one time to make the game load you into that area without being on alert.)
At least shinobido encourages you to use stealth since enemies are can actually easily overpower snd kill you.

MGS 5 managed to get close to Shinobido but that has lots of boring parts(Traveling from one base to another, unskippable heli rides, not enough variety in mission design) that puts it below Shinobido for me.

Lmfao it is laughable, almost as laughable as you knowing that Shinobido can't compete with most of the games i listed in any capacity that you pick only the most action focused one to list points against.

You may be right though, thinking a low tier bargain bin title is even remotely in the same league as what i listed isn't laughable... It's beyond laughable, it's utterly absurd.

[Villain]

looks like poorman's Tenchu to me...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1688442724

[William Shakesman]

It probably is a poor man's Tenchu because Acquire DID a lot of work on Tenchu before the license moved around. Shinobido plays like Tenchu, but with a Way of the Samurai style replay/story system with random missions across preset levels.

I only played Shinobido 2 and a BIT of Shinobido 1 but to be honest the idea of Shinobido being better than Tenchu 3, much less an S-class stealth game is utterly baffling to me. I loved Shinobido 2 but not THAT much.

[Doctor TacoChocolate]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

It probably is a poor man's Tenchu because Acquire DID a lot of work on Tenchu before the license moved around. Shinobido plays like Tenchu, but with a Way of the Samurai style replay/story system with random missions across preset levels.

I only played Shinobido 2 and a BIT of Shinobido 1 but to be honest the idea of Shinobido being better than Tenchu 3, much less an S-class stealth game is utterly baffling to me. I loved Shinobido 2 but not THAT much.

It's almost embarrassing how much better Tenchu 3 is than Shinobido. Tenchu 3 came out a full two years earlier and still did practically everything so much better.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Doctor TacoChocolate:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

It probably is a poor man's Tenchu because Acquire DID a lot of work on Tenchu before the license moved around. Shinobido plays like Tenchu, but with a Way of the Samurai style replay/story system with random missions across preset levels.

I only played Shinobido 2 and a BIT of Shinobido 1 but to be honest the idea of Shinobido being better than Tenchu 3, much less an S-class stealth game is utterly baffling to me. I loved Shinobido 2 but not THAT much.

It's almost embarrassing how much better Tenchu 3 is than Shinobido. Tenchu 3 came out a full two years earlier and still did practically everything so much better.

Tenchu 3 is utterly insane stuff. I don't think you're going to see more than a couple dozen games that have everything and the kitchen sink thrown in them like Tenchu 3. We're digging into memories here but apart from the super cool revenge movie motif Fatal Shadows wasn't half as good as 3 if memory serves

[snovv.paris]

this game looks nice and i hope shinobido will be on steam too. Played it a lot when i was young. Love the idea of having your own hideout to build and defend, 3 lords to serve with random missions and those special speed kill was very satisfied.