Gamers: "Microtransactions ruined gaming, why can't I buy a game and earn everything for free?!?"

[Meat Clown]

Also gamers when a game (that already existed before, so people know what it plays like / can look up footage) releases with a small price tag and everything is earnable for free with no in-game purchases: "Ur game will die with P2P, why is it not F2P?!?!"

Y'all are like the "Spiderman pointing" meme, but with less sense. I know Steam discussion forums are generally toxic, but man. The game was released as P2P for that reason: most people that will check the game out are people that have played it before, with only few new players. This way, everything can be earned without buying any additional things and the game has been brought back without (current) threat of removal. It's the best course of action for a small game like Gigantic.

[TTV/RebelBuffoon]

I mean in light of it being a 20$ buy-in AND not have server connections, I think the rage here is Valid. They need to either go F2P, OR get Servers for stable connections ASAP. cause Peer 2 Peer in a Moba is the worst thing one can do, bar none. that alone will kill the game

[LeanivBirb]

Originally posted by Neck Slime:

Also gamers when a game (that already existed before, so people know what it plays like / can look up footage) releases with a small price tag and everything is earnable for free with no in-game purchases: "Ur game will die with P2P, why is it not F2P?!?!"

Y'all are like the "Spiderman pointing" meme, but with less sense. I know Steam discussion forums are generally toxic, but man. The game was released as P2P for that reason: most people that will check the game out are people that have played it before, with only few new players. This way, everything can be earned without buying any additional things and the game has been brought back without (current) threat of removal. It's the best course of action for a small game like Gigantic.

No? What are you talking about?

This game already was told will have absolutely no development post launch,all we got is from before the game got shutdown and was ready to be put out. The game doesnt allow you to host your own server,and uses P2P connection in 2024,togheter with the game being locked at 60 fps and still in Unreal Engine 3. So if they see they are losing money,they will shut down the servers again and you will lose access to a game you pad 20 dollars for

[Eudicots]

What put me off from the game was watching some spend over an hour unable to get into a match.

[Meat Clown]

Originally posted by LeanivBirb:

Originally posted by Neck Slime:

Also gamers when a game (that already existed before, so people know what it plays like / can look up footage) releases with a small price tag and everything is earnable for free with no in-game purchases: "Ur game will die with P2P, why is it not F2P?!?!"

Y'all are like the "Spiderman pointing" meme, but with less sense. I know Steam discussion forums are generally toxic, but man. The game was released as P2P for that reason: most people that will check the game out are people that have played it before, with only few new players. This way, everything can be earned without buying any additional things and the game has been brought back without (current) threat of removal. It's the best course of action for a small game like Gigantic.

No? What are you talking about?

This game already was told will have absolutely no development post launch,all we got is from before the game got shutdown and was ready to be put out. The game doesnt allow you to host your own server,and uses P2P connection in 2024,togheter with the game being locked at 60 fps and still in Unreal Engine 3. So if they see they are losing money,they will shut down the servers again and you will lose access to a game you pad 20 dollars for

That is the point though, there doesn't need to be. It got brought back because people wanted to play it again, so the money is used to keep the servers alive for the time being and there won't be development costs.

[Gamefreak]

I think you're struggling to comprehend that most people do not want to buy competitive multiplayer games anymore, especially niche competitive titles, and doubly so for niche titles that have already failed once. CS2, Dota 2, LoL, Valorant, Apex, PUBG, Fortnite, PoE, Overwatch 2, etc. are all free-to-play. It doesn't matter if the game is $5. Plenty of people including myself are not going to waste my money on something that already has a poor track record with longevity.

This game should have been f2p because what they've done is release a flop that's going to be dead a second time since almost no one is going to spend $20 on this. They didn't even bother fixing any of the issues that hurt the original release before it died lmao.

[Meat Clown]

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

I think you're struggling to comprehend that most people do not want to buy competitive multiplayer games anymore, especially niche titles, and doubly so for niche titles that have already failed once. CS2, Dota 2, LoL, Valorant, Apex, PUBG, Fortnite, PoE, Overwatch 2, etc. are all free-to-play. It doesn't matter if the game is $5. Plenty of people including myself are not going to waste my money on something that already has a poor track record with longevity.

This game should have been f2p because what they've done is release a flop that's going to be dead a second time since almost no one is going to spend $20 on this.

You mean, like the first time it was f2p when it also flopped? The only people that will buy it are mostly people that liked it to begin with, which is also what this is aimed at, so I don't get the complaint.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Neck Slime:

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

I think you're struggling to comprehend that most people do not want to buy competitive multiplayer games anymore, especially niche titles, and doubly so for niche titles that have already failed once. CS2, Dota 2, LoL, Valorant, Apex, PUBG, Fortnite, PoE, Overwatch 2, etc. are all free-to-play. It doesn't matter if the game is $5. Plenty of people including myself are not going to waste my money on something that already has a poor track record with longevity.

This game should have been f2p because what they've done is release a flop that's going to be dead a second time since almost no one is going to spend $20 on this.

You mean, like the first time it was f2p when it also flopped? The only people that will buy it are mostly people that liked it to begin with, which is also what this is aimed at, so I don't get the complaint.

Yeah, it flopped the first time because it had a ton of issues they didn't fix and barely anyone knew the game existed. So why would anyone buy this when it's the same game with the same issues with barely anyone knowing about it? This re-release is a "throw $20 away because you'll pay anything to play this game again" launch.

[Meat Clown]

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

Originally posted by Neck Slime:

You mean, like the first time it was f2p when it also flopped? The only people that will buy it are mostly people that liked it to begin with, which is also what this is aimed at, so I don't get the complaint.

Yeah, it flopped the first time because it had a ton of issues they didn't fix and barely anyone knew the game existed. So why would anyone buy this when it's the same game with the same issues with barely anyone knowing about it?

Because those same people wanted the game to be rereleased. Its a very niche title and this rerelease won't change that, but it isn't supposed to. People wanted the game to come back, so now it is back for a one time purchase. How long the servers will stay up, idk, but this is exactly what people wanted.

[Cits]

Those are different groups of people.

[Mikedot]

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

I think you're struggling to comprehend that most people do not want to buy competitive multiplayer games anymore,

Explain why fighting games always comes with a price tag, then. You convinently left that genre of competitive gaming out of your examples. Literally the only fighting game in recent years that was F2P was Multiverus, and soon 2XKO in 2025, but other than that, fighting games always cost money upfront.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Mikedot:

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

I think you're struggling to comprehend that most people do not want to buy competitive multiplayer games anymore,

Explain why fighting games always comes with a price tag, then.

Because Japanese devs are notorious for being stuck in the past and Riot has Project L releasing as f2p, which is likely going to change that going forward if it does well. Fighting games are currently exceptions to the rule and would be making more money if they were free-to-play. Next.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Neck Slime:

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

Yeah, it flopped the first time because it had a ton of issues they didn't fix and barely anyone knew the game existed. So why would anyone buy this when it's the same game with the same issues with barely anyone knowing about it?

Because those same people wanted the game to be rereleased. Its a very niche title and this rerelease won't change that, but it isn't supposed to. People wanted the game to come back, so now it is back for a one time purchase. How long the servers will stay up, idk, but this is exactly what people wanted.

That's awesome, but why not make it free-to-play with an option to get the one-time purchase that works exactly like this current purchased version does? That's a win-win, isn't it? Player numbers get a nice boost from f2p people, f2p are likely to upgrade to the paid version if they enjoy the game, and the people who want the one-time purchase version still get that.

I'm not seeing how the logic behind requiring a purchase for this game makes sense. Seems like the publisher had this IP lying around and wanted to see if they could make a profit.

[Lucky]

There is some games that i would buy instead of them being f2p, this game is 100% f2p game but somehow braindead devs thinked it will be great idea to put a price tag on it, on a genre that have been overrun with same games for over decade, somehow players who defending this game being p2p don't have any brain nor they have any iq to understand simple thing that some games are not good in having p2p model.

[Mikedot]

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

Originally posted by Mikedot:

Explain why fighting games always comes with a price tag, then.

Because Japanese devs are notorious for being stuck in the past and Riot has Project L releasing as f2p, which is likely going to change that going forward if it does well. Fighting games are currently exceptions to the rule and would be making more money if they were free-to-play. Next.

Multiversus was western developed, though. To say that Project L (2XKO) is going to change how people accept monetization for fighting gameswhen Mutliversus didn't despite its initial popularity pokes a huge hole in your logic. People have no problem playing for a competitive game as long as the gameplay loop is enjoyable or there's a dedicated enough community around to get matches going.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Mikedot:

Originally posted by Gamefreak:

Because Japanese devs are notorious for being stuck in the past and Riot has Project L releasing as f2p, which is likely going to change that going forward if it does well. Fighting games are currently exceptions to the rule and would be making more money if they were free-to-play. Next.

Multiversus was western developed, though. To say that Project L is going to change monetization when Mutliversus didn't despite its initial popularity pokes a huge hole in your logic. People have no problem playing for a competitive game as long as the gameplay loop is enjoyable or there's a dedicated enough community around to get matches going.

Multiversus was a disaster from launch and really shouldn't be brought up as an example of why a f2p game would fail. They constantly botched character releases, the netcode was terrible, combat was extremely floaty, balance was horrible, the battle pass was slow to level, and then they brought it offline to rework it. It's also a Smash clone and the people that want to play Smash will just play Smash on their Switch or GameCube.

Project L is a traditional versus fighter that has 1000x more polish in a genre where the last massively popular versus fighter was UMvC3 and that game didn't get any updates, so there was no developer support at all. Project L is the first real attempt at doing a modern f2p fighting game.