Edgewater or Deserters

[Zes]

I restarted all over again but this time i played how i liked it. Did all quests and cleared whole map.

But

I still couldn't decide what to do with power re-routing. I know it might not be the biggest decision in the game but i can't still decide. I was too set and went there to cut off edgewater's energy and save the deserters.. but in the last second parvati talked me on her own, i didn't asked.. but she mafe some point about edgewater..

and she managed to confuse me again ;)

I need someone to convince me on a choice haha

[Zes]

Reed is rich bastrd, he pushes people to work hard and he earns big.. right?

So siding with his plan will simply make him richer and i'll be just a tool.. but he uses people living there as a leverage, cutting power of canary will make people hungry.. and they will die? is it that simple? people will just die? well, deserters didn't die.. they survived. even out in the open without walls.

on the other hand, adelaine holds a grudge it seems, but she didnt propose anything, she just left me alone to think.. i dont feel like she is trying to control me.

only thing that is bugging me, what will happen if edgewater falls.. will people just leave and join deserters? edgewater has armed security, maybe they would attack deserters to get their power regulator..

I'm having my coffee now and thinking.. i'll act soon.. send me help ;)

[Zes]

this place is deserted..
too bad because this is a good game

[tolate 04]

you can side with the deserters and the town will thrive, however you must convince Reed to step down, latter this decision will come back in an unexpected way.....(Don't want to spoil the story for you) its not the best choice it's spacers choice.....

[Zes]

Originally posted by tolate 04:

its not the best choice it's spacers choice.....

LoL ;)

[Danielle]

the one that hurts spacer's choice the most

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Edgewater: Route the power to town, talk to adelaide and convince her to replace Reed. Convince Reed to step down.

Groundbreaker: Do whatever Junlei asked you to do.

Monarch: Replace Graham with Zora and ask MSI exec to work with Iconoclast.

Byzantium: don't take all the liquids, killing the other colonist to save yours is net negative.

Peril in Gorgon: 150 Persuade to persuade Minnie and his (redacted) to reconcile.

Murder in Eridanos: too fun, won't spoil.


Also buy the original version of the game instead of this botched version

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Nobody ask you, if I'm CEO of Private Division I'd probably pay you for the free PR.

[Borris]

If you play to the end, and honestly before the end of the game, you find that Reed is actually the better choice, as Adilay (i cant spell her name) lets a bunch of people die because she doesn't want them voicing their opinions about how they want to make changes to the society she's made, plus even if you help her, at the end of the game she refuses to help you save the system or even send you additional food, it takes one of her people sneaking that info to get something from her. Reed on the other hand will just accept everyone and create the first ever seen weekend in which one day a week workers get a day off to do what they like.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Originally posted by Borris:

If you play to the end, and honestly before the end of the game, you find that Reed is actually the better choice, as Adilay (i cant spell her name) lets a bunch of people die because she doesn't want them voicing their opinions about how they want to make changes to the society she's made, plus even if you help her, at the end of the game she refuses to help you save the system or even send you additional food, it takes one of her people sneaking that info to get something from her. Reed on the other hand will just accept everyone and create the first ever seen weekend in which one day a week workers get a day off to do what they like.

"Adelaide McDevitt replaced Reed Tobson as the leader of Edgewater. She and her followers transformed Edgewater in their image. Anyone loyal to Reed was pressured into leaving town, and those who stayed behind adapted to her way of life. Adelaide transformed the old cannery into a new garden. The nearby Edgewater Cemetery provided a convenient source of fertilizer.

As for Reed Tobson, it was said that he lasted exactly two days outside the walls of Edgewater. Years later, a marauder was found in possession of his hat."

Anyone loyal to Reed = Spacer's Choice/Edgewater Upper Echelon.
We don't know how many.


Adapted to their way of life = Basically a Commune.

If you speak to Adelaide post-decision she will say to you that the cannery will be transformed into a garden. Now everyone become farmer.

Adelaide also solved the Malnutrition issue.

Under reed you get a weekend eating not-saltuna (canid), which mean Edgewater will fall into malnutrition/starvation eventually. It is definitely more somber.

[Star Sage]

Basically, the final choice is not whether to fuel the Greenhouse or the Town, the Town all the way, the choice is do you make Reed or Adelaide into the leader? Reed is a good man, who is an idiot and devoted to the company line, but he still improves the town as things get better under one of the endings. Adelaide, for all her pretensions, is a bad person, and will admit that to your face, she hates this community and Reed specifically for the death of her child. Better, corpses as fertilizer only works for so long, and would only be viable as such for about 3-12 months after death.

So basically, Reed's version of Edgewater is a place that people work and live, Adelaide's is a place where HER people work and live.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Originally posted by Star Sage:

So basically, Reed's version of Edgewater is a place that people work and live, Adelaide's is a place where HER people work and live.

Reed's people will not live long due lack of nutrition. Siding with Phineas only resulted in no mention of Edgewater continuous existence during Starvation/Malnutrition crisis.

Adelaide solution is not perfect, but it works, they'll survive the starving.

Whether or not Adelaide would help solving starvation crisis is not touched upon that particular ending (Welles + Adelaide + Edgewater). But assuming Edgewater still under Spacer's Choice jurisdiction up until The Board fell, Adelaide would be less inclined to be isolationist compared to if you divert the power to Botanical Garden.

So no, Reed's version of Edgewater is not just place that people work and live, but also eventually starved (Assumption, since all they get is a one day rest, without nutrition adelaide garden would provide). Adelaide's Edgewater would be hostile against Spacer's Choices/Corpo/Board people, but it would no doubt less struggling in the event of starvation (effectively turning Edgewater into a Commune/Iconoclast/Philosophist).

[Star Sage]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

Originally posted by Star Sage:

So basically, Reed's version of Edgewater is a place that people work and live, Adelaide's is a place where HER people work and live.

Reed's people will not live long due lack of nutrition. Siding with Phineas only resulted in no mention of Edgewater continuous existence during Starvation/Malnutrition crisis.

Adelaide solution is not perfect, but it works, they'll survive the starving.

Whether or not Adelaide would help solving starvation crisis is not touched upon that particular ending (Welles + Adelaide + Edgewater). But assuming Edgewater still under Spacer's Choice jurisdiction up until The Board fell, Adelaide would be less inclined to be isolationist compared to if you divert the power to Botanical Garden.

So no, Reed's version of Edgewater is not just place that people work and live, but also eventually starved (Assumption, since all they get is a one day rest, without nutrition adelaide garden would provide). Adelaide's Edgewater would be hostile against Spacer's Choices/Corpo/Board people, but it would no doubt less struggling in the event of starvation (effectively turning Edgewater into a Commune/Iconoclast/Philosophist).

The ending of Welles + Reed + Edgewater never says anyone else passed away, save for Adeliade herself. Meanwhile, both her endings being in charge, either power redirected to the Garden or replacing Reed both make specific mention of her denying people the protection of the community, either hers, or booting them out of town. Now, you could say these were probably board loyalists, though there's nothing to say they were. Meanwhile Reed, if you convince the Deserters to come back, welcomes everyone with open arms, he even seems delighted that people ARE safe behind the walls again(And while some of that is returning work force, he seems to focus on their safety first).

Reed is a Good Man. Not an intelligent or questioning one, but Good nonetheless.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Originally posted by Star Sage:

The ending of Welles + Reed + Edgewater never says anyone else passed away, save for Adeliade herself. Meanwhile, both her endings being in charge, either power redirected to the Garden or replacing Reed both make specific mention of her denying people the protection of the community, either hers, or booting them out of town. Now, you could say these were probably board loyalists, though there's nothing to say they were. Meanwhile Reed, if you convince the Deserters to come back, welcomes everyone with open arms, he even seems delighted that people ARE safe behind the walls again(And while some of that is returning work force, he seems to focus on their safety first).

Reed is a Good Man. Not an intelligent or questioning one, but Good nonetheless.

I am not concerned that Reed is a good man and willing to open his arm for anyone.

I am concerned that Reed's way is business as usual (Back breaking, soul crunching working on a not-saltuna factory with Adrena-Time powered labor) + being starved + one day off.

We tend to forget the condition the Edgewater we found in: Docile, submissive people with no will of their own but Reed and Spacer Choice's - ready to sell their souls just to meet the quota.

Reed is good man. But Reed isn't a competent man. Adelaide is.

I think booting out people who disagree with Adelaide is a bargain for what Adelaide bring to the table: The cure of Malnutrition.

[fext]

Originally posted by RACHMANOVSKI:

Reed is good man. But Reed isn't a competent man. Adelaide is.

Reed is not a good man - he is an obedient slaver who holds a whip on behalf of his superiors. And incompetent on top of that (but this is not an issue, obviously because corporations are never short of middle management hopefulls and if they wanted they'd have him replaced ages ago). If I was making the decision not knowing the outcome beforehand, I'd never consider to redirect the power to the Edgewater and the ending does not really make much sense. The idea that Reed would willingly step down after being told to do so by a complete stranger is ridiculous.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Originally posted by fext:

Reed is not a good man

You don't need to sell the idea that Reed is a bad guy to me. I already know that.

I am trying to explain the idea that Adelaide is better choice by employing persuasive language.