Last of Us Part 1 is good but Don't play Part 2

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Spoiler Alert!
(Also, I played on Playstation 5 and both games played like butter with great graphics)

I loved Last of Us 1, but Last of Us 2 was very interesting to play and not in a positive way. I was seriously enjoying the story about Joel's death and Ellie trying to avenge his death, and Ellie's romance on the side. It could have been one of the best games ever.
Unfortunately, towards the end, I was forced to play as Abby. I really liked Joel as a character, and when Abby killed him, I, of course, developed a serious dislike for Abby. Furthermore, Abby is just a pissed-off, unlikable character in general. Thus, I really didn't want to play as Abby and found myself just letting zombies kill me because I wanted to return to playing as Ellie, and it was more enjoyable to watch her die than to try to help her survive.
I tried to play it out as Abby, hoping it would return to Ellie at any moment, but hours went by, and it still made me play as Abby until eventually I just said, "Screw it. I'm not enjoying this game at all, and I stopped playing altogether. I've played almost every rpg there is, and there is only one other game I have stopped playing halfway through. Thus, Last of Us 2 is one of the only games I rate as a 0 out of 10 since it was so unenjoyable that I didn't even finish it. The lesson here is NEVER FORCE THE PLAYER TO PLAY AS AN UNLIKABLE ANTAGONSIST, PLEASE.
After, being so disappointed with Part 2, I don't recommend either of these games.

[CLUTCH]

Nguyên văn bởi J4MESOX4D:

Nguyên văn bởi CLUTCH:

Most (NOT ALL) wanted an extension of TLOU1 after they waited so many years for a sequel. It has nothing to do with gay/trans characters in the game.

YOU need to get over that.

They didn't want Joel to die (especially so early) in the game if at all.

Which dollar store argument is this?

I think Joel dying was a good avenue to explore in terms of a sequel but the way they told it was a disaster. Ideally it should've been a basic revenge story where you had Ellie's perspective and then the narrative from the other side with Abby until a final showdown of morals and justification tabled, but the fact Ellie doesn't question why Joel was killed at any time during the entire game (and why she was spared) and also how Abby doesn't even mention it to her as a motivation, just completely destroys the story as a whole. Even as the credits roll, Ellie and Abby don't even know why the hell they are there. The 'revenge is bad message' is also lost in oblivion when Ellie kills 100+ people just trying to settle a score and to make matters even more laughable, she doesn't even know why she's doing it and it makes the whole thing quite painful for anyone who understands basic fundamental logic.

It's like me leaving for work and every morning, getting out the car near the end of my road and then punching this bloke waiting at the bus stop. I do it for 4 days straight and nobody asks why I'm doing it and I don't say why either. That's pretty much how ridiculous the narrative is shaped in TLOU2. There were so many ways they could've delved into the revenge premise and made it an incredible cat and mouse game of morals, but instead they sacrificed common sense to maintain the charade even 12 year olds wouldn't accept as a credible premise.

Yes, I agree with what most of you said. Joel could have died in the sequel sure. How soon they did it and they way the did it? Not so sure. Plus playing the Lord of the Rings storytelling and switching timeline and characters that I did not want to play as did not help.

The whole story was exhausting and depressing and not the ending I wanted to see. (Yes, I am sure others found the game and ending much to their satisfaction and you can't please everyone). I just think the game could have gone a much different and better direction.

My point being is that there are still plenty of reasons why fans of this series did not like the sequel. It wasn't because of gay / trans characters that so many fanboys of the sequel cling on to.

[galan]

"Really ? At the end of the first game. "

Where exactly and please don't quote some biased statement from Marlene.

[Vash_Reign]

It's still disappointing ND didn't implement gameplay improvements from the 2nd game ans fanboys keep trying to justify it

[Elite Team Killer]

Off topic but I really hope they alter how these things happen in season 2 of the show. NO one wants to relive that.

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Nguyên văn bởi CLUTCH:

Nguyên văn bởi J4MESOX4D:

I think Joel dying was a good avenue to explore in terms of a sequel but the way they told it was a disaster. Ideally it should've been a basic revenge story where you had Ellie's perspective and then the narrative from the other side with Abby until a final showdown of morals and justification tabled, but the fact Ellie doesn't question why Joel was killed at any time during the entire game (and why she was spared) and also how Abby doesn't even mention it to her as a motivation, just completely destroys the story as a whole. Even as the credits roll, Ellie and Abby don't even know why the hell they are there. The 'revenge is bad message' is also lost in oblivion when Ellie kills 100+ people just trying to settle a score and to make matters even more laughable, she doesn't even know why she's doing it and it makes the whole thing quite painful for anyone who understands basic fundamental logic.

It's like me leaving for work and every morning, getting out the car near the end of my road and then punching this bloke waiting at the bus stop. I do it for 4 days straight and nobody asks why I'm doing it and I don't say why either. That's pretty much how ridiculous the narrative is shaped in TLOU2. There were so many ways they could've delved into the revenge premise and made it an incredible cat and mouse game of morals, but instead they sacrificed common sense to maintain the charade even 12 year olds wouldn't accept as a credible premise.

Yes, I agree with what most of you said. Joel could have died in the sequel sure. How soon they did it and they way the did it? Not so sure. Plus playing the Lord of the Rings storytelling and switching timeline and characters that I did not want to play as did not help.

The whole story was exhausting and depressing and not the ending I wanted to see. (Yes, I am sure others found the game and ending much to their satisfaction and you can't please everyone). I just think the game could have gone a much different and better direction.

My point being is that there are still plenty of reasons why fans of this series did not like the sequel. It wasn't because of gay / trans characters that so many fanboys of the sequel cling on to.

It makes sense that the peeps arguing about how the game is good are bringing such nonsense as politics in this. They have clearly been fan baited. Most peeps with big egos, who think they are always 'right' and anyone who thinks differently is 'wrong' are easy prey for fan baiting.
I'll define it, since there's more than a few of them on the forum:

Fan Baiting is done on purpose in order to not only stir up controversy for publicity, but it also serves as a barrier to real criticism and ensures that the show will succeed because if anyone has a different opinion, they will just be labeled as a "racist/sexist/transist/republican/etc." and their opinion is ignored.
It's a method to make everyone think you're virtuous when really you're just a horrible person spreading hate with anyone who has a different opinion than your own. They attempt to fight fascism by spreading and using fascism.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Nguyên văn bởi Lucian:

Nguyên văn bởi CLUTCH:

Yes, I agree with what most of you said. Joel could have died in the sequel sure. How soon they did it and they way the did it? Not so sure. Plus playing the Lord of the Rings storytelling and switching timeline and characters that I did not want to play as did not help.

The whole story was exhausting and depressing and not the ending I wanted to see. (Yes, I am sure others found the game and ending much to their satisfaction and you can't please everyone). I just think the game could have gone a much different and better direction.

My point being is that there are still plenty of reasons why fans of this series did not like the sequel. It wasn't because of gay / trans characters that so many fanboys of the sequel cling on to.

It makes sense that the peeps arguing about how the game is good are bringing such nonsense as politics in this. They have clearly been fan baited. Most peeps with big egos, who think they are always 'right' and anyone who thinks differently is 'wrong' are easy prey for fan baiting.
I'll define it, since there's more than a few of them on the forum:

Fan Baiting is done on purpose in order to not only stir up controversy for publicity, but it also serves as a barrier to real criticism and ensures that the show will succeed because if anyone has a different opinion, they will just be labeled as a "racist/sexist/transist/republican/etc." and their opinion is ignored.
It's a method to make everyone think you're virtuous when really you're just a horrible person spreading hate with anyone who has a different opinion than your own. They attempt to fight fascism by spreading and using fascism.

This is nonsense, if you think people care enough to devise such a strategy for defending a game. People are entitled to their opinions and aren’t required to like any game/IP. Someone in the thread brought up the idea with their “SJW scum” comment, and it gets brought up a lot in the Steam TLOU forums. I think those people are idiots with backward beliefs and they annoy me. But no one is trying to argue (or secretly get other people to believe) that all criticism of the game comes from political conservatives. That would only even work if everyone who played games on Steam had left-leaning political views, which is not true of any online community.

Any game/TV show/movie, no matter how good is always going to have people who dislike it, hate, or not care enough to give it a try in the first place. I think TLOU 1 and 2 are both enjoyable games to play but people can feel however they want about it. My opinion of the game is just an opinion, there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to liking/disliking a game. It annoys me when people speak their opinion (of a piece of art/content) in such a way that it comes off as being factual, like they have empirical evidence that TLOU part 2 is written badly, when they really mean that they just didn’t like the way the story ended.

It’s just a game though at the end of the day, it’s not worth getting carried away in the way that people do about gaming now. The whole point of it is supposed to just be a hobby that is an enjoyable way to spend your free time. But it has somewhat devolved into tribalism with Console vs PC and 4090/i9-13900k vs GTX 1060/R7-1700 or AMD vs Nvidia/Intel. Everyone just needs to relax and stop fighting over trivial nonsense that really isn’t that important.

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I expected a respo

Nguyên văn bởi jedimindtrickonyou:

Nguyên văn bởi Lucian:

It makes sense that the peeps arguing about how the game is good are bringing such nonsense as politics in this. They have clearly been fan baited. Most peeps with big egos, who think they are always 'right' and anyone who thinks differently is 'wrong' are easy prey for fan baiting.
I'll define it, since there's more than a few of them on the forum:

Fan Baiting is done on purpose in order to not only stir up controversy for publicity, but it also serves as a barrier to real criticism and ensures that the show will succeed because if anyone has a different opinion, they will just be labeled as a "racist/sexist/transist/republican/etc." and their opinion is ignored.
It's a method to make everyone think you're virtuous when really you're just a horrible person spreading hate with anyone who has a different opinion than your own. They attempt to fight fascism by spreading and using fascism.

This is nonsense, if you think people care enough to devise such a strategy for defending a game. People are entitled to their opinions and aren’t required to like any game/IP. Someone in the thread brought up the idea with their “SJW scum” comment, and it gets brought up a lot in the Steam TLOU forums. I think those people are idiots with backward beliefs and they annoy me. But no one is trying to argue (or secretly get other people to believe) that all criticism of the game comes from political conservatives. That would only even work if everyone who played games on Steam had left-leaning political views, which is not true of any online community.

Any game/TV show/movie, no matter how good is always going to have people who dislike it, hate, or not care enough to give it a try in the first place. I think TLOU 1 and 2 are both enjoyable games to play but people can feel however they want about it. My opinion of the game is just an opinion, there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to liking/disliking a game. It annoys me when people speak their opinion (of a piece of art/content) in such a way that it comes off as being factual, like they have empirical evidence that TLOU part 2 is written badly, when they really mean that they just didn’t like the way the story ended.

It’s just a game though at the end of the day, it’s not worth getting carried away in the way that people do about gaming now. The whole point of it is supposed to just be a hobby that is an enjoyable way to spend your free time. But it has somewhat devolved into tribalism with Console vs PC and 4090/i9-13900k vs GTX 1060/R7-1700 or AMD vs Nvidia/Intel. Everyone just needs to relax and stop fighting over trivial nonsense that really isn’t that important.

I expected a response from you. LOL. So, you pretty much just said that "you think people are idiots" who have a different opinion as yours. LOL.
Then go on to say that you don't like when people portray their opinions like they are fact, as you go on portraying your opinion like it's a fact. LOL.
The fact that you use 'tribalism' is especially funny because the way you converse definitely seems to be coming from a tribal disposition of I know the truth and let me enlighten your way of thinking.
Like I said, the one's with the biggest egos are the perfect demographic for fan-baiting. The irony is hilarious. LOL
Steam forums are really something else. Every time I post the conversation degenerates into something off topic. So predictable.

[sevyl]

well tbh even tho i loved tlou 1, i think that tlou 2 ist also pretty good like i loved it while playing it. theres so much emotions and thats the best in a game.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Nguyên văn bởi sevyl:

well tbh even tho i loved tlou 1, i think that tlou 2 ist also pretty good like i loved it while playing it. theres so much emotions and thats the best in a game.

I liked it also, there's a lot of people mad about what happens to Joel though.

[Vox Maximus]

Nguyên văn bởi sevyl:

well tbh even tho i loved tlou 1, i think that tlou 2 ist also pretty good like i loved it while playing it. theres so much emotions and thats the best in a game.

TLOU Part 2 >> Part 1
Story, game mechanics, world building, everything pretty much is a huge improvement over Part 1.

[Vox Maximus]

Nguyên văn bởi jedimindtrickonyou:

Nguyên văn bởi sevyl:

well tbh even tho i loved tlou 1, i think that tlou 2 ist also pretty good like i loved it while playing it. theres so much emotions and thats the best in a game.

I liked it also, there's a lot of people mad about what happens to Joel though.

Joel wasn't that good of a character anyways.

[henrizombie]

anyone who agrees with this guy should also seek psychological help.

[SpielSatzFail]

I'm already curious about how the positive/negative review ratio will be for pt.2, provided it comes to Steam and releases in a proper technical state.

[azogthedefiler25]

Nguyên văn bởi SpielSatzFail:

I'm already curious about how the positive/negative review ratio will be for pt.2, provided it comes to Steam and releases in a proper technical state.

If it releases in a good state like you say I think it'll get positive review. Regardless of the story, the combat is excellent.

[Sikklid]

I absolutely enjoyed TLOU2's level design, art and set pieces. That was all high quality.

However, yes, agreed. I really struggled getting through the tone and story. Felt written by edgelord freshmen with teenage problems trying to impress the teacher with shock and awe; it was not well thought out, was completely disjointed and thoroughly lazy. Seemed like Druckman was huffin some fat bong rips and used the absolutely cliche argument of "What if one of the bad guy's family members gets revenge." Then all his circle of sycophants said, "Yeah!" Then he said, "Yeah huh! No game is as violent as mine!"

Player has zero agency. Characters make absurd out-of-character choices to "force" others to make absurd out-of-character choices - then the game forces the player forward into absurd actions, disguised as the player's "choices" killing immersion as you ponder how easily those situations could have been handled. Sort of like an infomercial creating impossible problems, then the solution is idiocy.

And dont get me started on the absolute misrepresentation of races, which the game is often praised in doing correctly. Wrong. At least with mine. Me being Latino, I was was waiting for the moronic latinx garbage to enter the game. Repeatedly yelling "pendejo" doesnt help character growth and complexity. It's just obnoxious. Just half-hearted and forced to virtue signal with pretend "diversity" to please the Twitter cesspool so the game trends on social media for marketers. Made me wince at every attempt.

Druckman got used to sniffing his own farts being surrounded by Yes Men. Naughty Dog's level designers and artists, however... :chef's kiss: