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The writers should be fired for life from the all the industries, and should instead write for Kotaku, where no one cares about writing quality.
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But you have plenty of choices - you don't have to buy the game at all, but if you do buy, then you can play the game from the start to finish, OR stop playing at any given time. Now, if you decided to continue playing to the very end, that's your own choice, your decision. Do you feel like the bad guy in the end for whatever silly and immature reasons? Well, you probably should, because it was your choice to keep playing to the end, I mean why would you continue playing to the very end if you know in advance the ending is nothing for you, right? In fact, why would you even bother starting the game you know in advance will not finish playing to the end because you think it's a bad one? And if you decide to not buy the game, still great, but I see no reason to spend whole days pushing your own thoughts down everyone's throat here in discussions. Just do whatever you want to do silently, we don't need to be informed about your decision such as to which extent you want to play it, or if you want to play it at all, that's none of our business and we don't need to know, thanks.
I think the ending speaks a lot of volumes about people and how not everyone is a hero.
Joel is not a good person by any means. He's a flawed character that has dealt with loss for 20 years and when he finally gets a chance to let go of his past (his daughter), someone wants to take it away from him.
The ending here brings up a lot of debate on what you would do if you were in Joel's shoes. Would you sacrifice your loved ones for the sake of humanity or let things die but you can rest easy knowing your loved ones are still alive? This debate will get different opinions across from many people. It's a smart decision and that's why I love Joel. He doesn't need to be a boy scout especially since he's had to go through some of the worst with what humanity in an apocalypse is like throughout the game plus the 20 years he has worked with some of these groups.
While I hate the ending in Part 2, it would be hypocritical of me to say that they should have let it be a decision on the player to decide the outcome since they pull the same stunt there that gets people debating on what they would or would not do.
I honestly wouldn't want it any other way in a setting like The Last of Us
Great, so enjoy and move on.
This was never a choice-driven game and if you think a last second choice before the end of the game somehow turns Joel into the good guy, you missed the entire point of the story. There is no redemption in this game. Joel was never a good guy to begin with. Maybe he was before ♥♥♥♥ went down but during the game and the 20 years that preceded the story, he did a lot of nasty sh!t. That's the thing with this game. Almost everybody has done something bad to survive, even the ones you think are the good guys.
But the main point of this game is the relationship between Joel and Ellie, not Joel's redemption from his past deeds. Even after Joel finally opened himself up to Ellie, he still is the same guy that would torture a man. If anything, Joel became more dangerous because he now has someone he cares abut and wants to protect again.
If the devs were to give players a choice at the end, the entire story is thrown out the window. Joel just gives up and lets the Fireflies kill Ellie for the greater good? That doesn't mesh with Joel's character and the Father-Daughter type relationship that she developed with Ellie.
This is a "cinematic experience" type of game. You don't get a choice. If you thought that you were the good guy, that's on you.
Even though they forged a strong bond between each other and taking care for each other like a father is protecting his daughter and also vice versa (when Joel ran into the trap and Ellie freed him).
He's such a inhuman being for having such feelings for her. She is not his daughter.
This post is constructed in a way that it should benefit both sides. One can take it literal and the others may see it as sarcasm.
I agree. If this were real life, Abby would be hailed a hero by most people for ending Joel.
I for one appreciated something a little more nuanced that didn't follow the predictable hollywood feelgood script.
I mean, maybe hero is a little much since the whole theme and point of the game is blurring the lines and eliminating the concept of 'good and bad' guys altogether; but yeah it's crazy to me how many people still don't see Joel as a monster despite all his atrocities and things he casually talked about participating in (murdering civilians as a raider himself during the 20 year period.. I mean come on) and as far as TLoU2's story is concerned a whole lot of us were on team Abby by the end anyway.
I actually started hating Ellie about 1/2~2/3's of the way through her chapter already, and wish she would reign it in a bit and go home.