My thought on Songbirds.

[Mortus Eclipse]

So playing through AC6 again and I have to say Songbirds still feel unbalanced. Thinking about it, the biggest issue I see can't be fixed at this point, that being that they are introduced too early in the game when frankly they are just godly. They are rather easy to use and given their raw power don't seem to punish much for not using them well, making them an easy goto meta weapon. They are not really OP per say, just too attractive an option in a tight spot.

This leave me to wonder, what can be done to make either Songbirds a less easy choice. Perhaps make them more expensive forcing early players to explore their other options or grind to get them? Tweak stats, make reloads longer, fire delay, etc. Buff other options to make them more or as attractive as a competitor to Songbirds?

Your thoughts?

[Scrub McDuff]

Originally posted by Mortus Eclipse:

So playing through AC6 again and I have to say Songbirds still feel unbalanced. Thinking about it, the biggest issue I see can't be fixed at this point, that being that they are introduced too early in the game when frankly they are just godly. They are rather easy to use and given their raw power don't seem to punish much for not using them well, making them an easy goto meta weapon. They are not really OP per say, just too attractive an option in a tight spot.

This leave me to wonder, what can be done to make either Songbirds a less easy choice. Perhaps make them more expensive forcing early players to explore their other options or grind to get them? Tweak stats, make reloads longer, fire delay, etc. Buff other options to make them more or as attractive as a competitor to Songbirds?

Your thoughts?

uh.. i stopped using songbirds once the recovery time got nerfed to "inconvenient*. So are the needles, so are the shotties.

I would like the old songbirds back tho, but at even less dmg, lighter shells. I can live with this kind of adjustment. at the current state. I dont use.

[Call Sign: Raven]

They’re far from godly by themselves. With all tools, the skill of the person wielding them determines their effectiveness.

[nubi]

they get outdone by the Earshot in almost every way

[Dakota]

They're not even good compared to the other options available. Laser cannons pump out way more damage and are way more available with their short reload and also come in pretty early, not to mention all the other really good weapons available.

Maybe just try out the other weapons, like laser cannons with a good energy generator or coral gen, or even the 10 shot direct missile launchers are on par with songbirds without making you stop to fire, not to mention a bunch of the stuff you get later on too. I was thinking personally they could use a buff after their prior nerf, they weren't even really used in pvp much before the nerf and their use in PvE was mostly limited to people who got the game, didn't look much into other weapons, and were just running what the general public was calling "meta builds" despite dual gatlings + dual songbirds being kinda just trash compared to something like zimms and lascannons

[AH-1 Cobra]

I was done with the game before they started nerfing stuff, and nerfing stuff pretty much guarantees it won't get a 2nd replay, ever.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by AH-1 Cobra:

I was done with the game before they started nerfing stuff, and nerfing stuff pretty much guarantees it won't get a 2nd replay, ever.

They did many more buffs than nerfs tho

[nubi]

Originally posted by AH-1 Cobra:

I was done with the game before they started nerfing stuff, and nerfing stuff pretty much guarantees it won't get a 2nd replay, ever.

No one cares

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Dakota:

They did many more buffs than nerfs tho

The sad thing is that never matters to people who complain about nerfs.

People who think you can achieve any form of balance by simply blindly adding weight to the scales are usually responsible for breaking said scales.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by AH-1 Cobra:

I was done with the game before they started nerfing stuff, and nerfing stuff pretty much guarantees it won't get a 2nd replay, ever.

Zimmerbaby confirmed

[This PC]

They are fine, especially since they got nerfed.
You'll realize that songbirds very quickly taper off in utility, and there's much better options.

[Sabaithal]

They're not OP because they're quite heavy. Can't fit these things on lightweight craft without sacrificing either mobility or other valuable weapons.

And the tradeoff for heavyweight craft is supposed to be that they can hold much harder hitting weaponry.

[DreamScape]

I like Laser and Plasma over ballistic shoulder weapons.
Songbird and Earshot are nice. But putting x4 laser or plasma shot into a target just feels so much better XD

[hakabata]

You know, Month 1 was festering with guys who free-passed NGs by using dual zimmies & songbirds. Which means they haven't changed their loadout much after they got those weapons in early stage.

I think that's not the intended way to play AC. The half of the game's fun is about fooling around in the garage. So if you find something is too good on your hands, better to try different loadout consciously instead of making a plea for 'fix'.

At least for pve. Because, you know, pvp is all about meta. That's my two cents.

[Gadomeister]

Wow, look at this highly intellectual human.
Using his brainpower on how to nerf a weapon in pve game.
I wonder if his iq is in the same ballpark as einstein.

[REhorror]

Honestly the only two weapons that I'd hit with the nerfstick anymore is the chainguns and pilebunker.

Chainguns = increase weight.
Pilebunker = decrease damage and impact, increase speed.

Pilebunker is basically the top tier speedrun weapon now while the chainguns are the top fire and forget Aim assist weapons.