Why wouldn't you use the OP weapons?

[REBirthTheEdge]

Since our resident contrarian poster, Blackmage, has been posting non-stop about this issue, I'm inclined to create a thread to dispel it.
So there are OP weapons in AC6, why wouldn't you use it?
The reasons:
1. Because you don't need to, the game supports various build that you can perfect no damage every bosses in without the need to use OP weapons.
2. OP weapons, especially if you aren't familiar on their usage, are boring to use, especially when you don't like using them.
3. It raises a question: without these OP weapons, would you able to beat the game or not?

It is fine to use OP weapons a crutch, but saying you should ONLY use them is nonsensical and against the freedom of the players.

[ImHelping]

But the only final boss weapon we can use is Walter's, and we don't get the infinite flare launchers.

The overpowered weapons for casual babies who need to play on game journalist difficulty are still NPC only.

Though i wonder when people will loop around from calling machineguns garbage to overpowered once enough people realize they are better against boss baby grade shields than any pulse weapon?

[Wutever]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. OP weapons are the difficulty setting of the game. Can't beat a boss? Zimmer and Stun Needle for cruise control.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

But the only final boss weapon we can use is Walter's, and we don't get the infinite flare launchers.

The overpowered weapons for casual babies who need to play on game journalist difficulty are still NPC only.

Talking about the usual zimmies/chaingats/songbirds/stun needles that people say are so OP that trivalize the game.

[✰N0ni✰]

The game is designed in a way that you can clear the game only using presets. Yes, even Mad Stomp can get some mileage. You don't need the most broken build possible to clear content.

[REBirthTheEdge]

This thread is created to counter the resident ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Blackmage.

Let he come and explain himself, since he asked the question.

[Sabaithal]

I mean, the needle launchers are very heavy weapons, not all builds can support using them. I think that's supposed to be the tradeoff for how powerful them are.

Its not enough though. They do as much damage as an earshot, but with half the reload time and do far more impact damage than the stats display.

[Tsar Platinum]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

I mean, the needle launchers are very heavy weapons, not all builds can support using them. I think that's supposed to be the tradeoff for how powerful them are.

Its not enough though. They do as much damage as an earshot, but with half the reload time and do far more impact damage than the stats display.

9/10 it's EN load rather than weight.

But honestly, I think they're personally a bit overhyped. I mean they do pretty good direct hit damage but I think it's stagger is a little underwhelming, at least when compared to like...Songbirds I guess.

I do use them in my Sea Spider Killer AC build tho.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

I mean, the needle launchers are very heavy weapons, not all builds can support using them. I think that's supposed to be the tradeoff for how powerful them are.

Its not enough though. They do as much damage as an earshot, but with half the reload time and do far more impact damage than the stats display.

Even including the lightning damage, that is barely over half the damage of an earshot.

Earshot looks weak because of generic direct hit values and an over-tuned NG++ second phase body. But my first NG++ clear was admitting this and using the zip code sized explosions to stagger the boss better than a stun cannon and use hand weapons for the direct hit punish.

Also, earshot does not deflect off a staggered target glitching itself 200m away after you kick or point blank bazooka stagger it. Stun cannon does. (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wheeeeeels). I go better on defend the miner by throwing stun cannons in the garbage.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Wutever:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. OP weapons are the difficulty setting of the game. Can't beat a boss? Zimmer and Stun Needle for cruise control.

Yeah, i wouldnt say its simply a difficulty setting though : Sometimes, using stuff like double zimmermans feels like hardly beating the boss, more like skipping it.
Dont get me wrong, i usually find these "you did not beat the game!!" claims silly, theyre typically a joke after all. But when it comes to AC6's meta weapons?

You're no longer engaging with the enemy moveset. You no longer need to figure out reliable ways to approach and attack them. You no longer need to have good timing or any degree of precision, a good build that fits your playstyle or anything. You straight up dont have to really engage with the foe, because they get constantly, utterly effortlessly stunlocked before they can even do their moves. I dont see how you can call this actually fighting a boss, if its so ridiculous that it straight up reduces Ibis to the level of another generic AC enemy.

Im not saying you cant use these weapons or anything, in reality, nobody really stops you from using whatever you want to use. Just sharing the actual, legitimate, honest thoughts on the weapon and how it feels to use.

I really like the shotguns in this game, but even a single zimmerman is so braindead that i struggle having fun with it, while the normal shotgun has some blatant issues. I think i would have a lot of fun if the normal shotgun received a mild buff, and the zimmerman a massive nerf.

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Stret:

Originally posted by Wutever:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. OP weapons are the difficulty setting of the game. Can't beat a boss? Zimmer and Stun Needle for cruise control.

Yeah, i wouldnt say its simply a difficulty setting though : Sometimes, using stuff like double zimmermans feels like hardly beating the boss, more like skipping it.
Dont get me wrong, i usually find these "you did not beat the game!!" claims silly, theyre typically a joke after all. But when it comes to AC6's meta weapons?

You're no longer engaging with the enemy moveset. You no longer need to figure out reliable ways to approach and attack them. You no longer need to have good timing or any degree of precision, a good build that fits your playstyle or anything. You straight up dont have to really engage with the foe, because they get constantly, utterly effortlessly stunlocked before they can even do their moves. I dont see how you can call this actually fighting a boss, if its so ridiculous that it straight up reduces Ibis to the level of another generic AC enemy.

Sure, but that's assuming you do a proper damage rotation. You underestimate how bad some people can be.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Wutever:

Originally posted by Stret:

Yeah, i wouldnt say its simply a difficulty setting though : Sometimes, using stuff like double zimmermans feels like hardly beating the boss, more like skipping it.
Dont get me wrong, i usually find these "you did not beat the game!!" claims silly, theyre typically a joke after all. But when it comes to AC6's meta weapons?

You're no longer engaging with the enemy moveset. You no longer need to figure out reliable ways to approach and attack them. You no longer need to have good timing or any degree of precision, a good build that fits your playstyle or anything. You straight up dont have to really engage with the foe, because they get constantly, utterly effortlessly stunlocked before they can even do their moves. I dont see how you can call this actually fighting a boss, if its so ridiculous that it straight up reduces Ibis to the level of another generic AC enemy.

Sure, but that's assuming you do a proper damage rotation. You underestimate how bad some people can be.

bro you can literally just click the zimmermans over and over and they will destroy the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of any enemy that doesnt have an extremely tanky stagger bar
Even a single zimmerman can sort of that

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Stret:

Originally posted by Wutever:

Sure, but that's assuming you do a proper damage rotation. You underestimate how bad some people can be.

bro you can literally just click the zimmermans over and over and they will destroy the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of any enemy that doesnt have an extremely tanky stagger bar
Even a single zimmerman can sort of that

Sure, but there is still a significant difference between using Zimmers properly and just using them at random. You can achieve ridiculous stagger extensions with them, kicks and Assault Armor.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Wutever:

Originally posted by Stret:

bro you can literally just click the zimmermans over and over and they will destroy the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of any enemy that doesnt have an extremely tanky stagger bar
Even a single zimmerman can sort of that

Sure, but there is still a significant difference between using Zimmers properly and just using them at random. You can achieve ridiculous stagger extensions with them, kicks and Assault Armor.

you achieve ridiculous stagger output and combos no matter how many braincells you apply. youre just making it 500% broken instead of 250% broken

zimmerman only gets held back if you have a major lack of mechanical ability in action games. If youre a remotely near avid videogame player, thinking zimmermans require any particular skill to be effective is being plainly delusional
like seriously, go try one zimmerman slapped on top of some other well-balanced and nice shoulders/other hand. it will almost singlehandedly make you far more able to beat enemy ACs by just w+m1ing them to death without looking at what theyre doing

[Key]

Y'all need to chill with the namecalling and stop worrying so much about what other people do in a singleplayer game.

Personally I don't use meta stuff at all, not necessarily because they're OP but because I wanna feel like a special little snowflake.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Key:

Y'all need to chill with the namecalling and stop worrying so much about what other people do in a singleplayer game.

Not even namecalling.

A poster asks why wouldn't you use the OP weapons and I explain why.