Fires of Raven is the correct ending

[burn1none]

After doing all 3 I still gotta back my boy Walter. I don’t think humanity is ready for Coral and the other two endings made me think calamity is on the way anyways. What are y’all’s thoughts?

[burn1none]

Like I said it's funny how people can have such wildy different perspectives on something. I think it's pretty clear in Fires of Raven (and all the endings) you do have a choice. it literally lets you choose a different mission. my point is that doing Fires or Alea is a deliberate choice to do something with the Coral whereas the Liberator ending has no conclusion and you have no agency. you're gonna leave it up to "hope" bro sorry that's pretty weak. I think it shows strength of character to take up the mantle and do what needs to be done that's why I believe Fires is the correct ending. Not good but correct.

Liberator is a chicken **** cop-out letting others figure out the chaos. you didn't help anyone you just prolonged the cycle of violence and greed. the corps will be back tomorrow or next week while the Coral keeps growing and infesting minds like yours, Iguazu, Thumb, Sella..... yeah disagree all you want that's your prerogative. we can agree to disagree

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by burn1none:

Like I said it's funny how people can have such wildy different perspectives on something. I think it's pretty clear in Fires of Raven (and all the endings) you do have a choice. it literally lets you choose a different mission. my point is that doing Fires or Alea is a deliberate choice to do something with the Coral whereas the Liberator ending has no conclusion and you have no agency. you're gonna leave it up to "hope" bro sorry that's pretty weak. I think it shows strength of character to take up the mantle and do what needs to be done that's why I believe Fires is the correct ending. Not good but correct.

Liberator is a chicken **** cop-out letting others figure out the chaos. you didn't help anyone you just prolonged the cycle of violence and greed. the corps will be back tomorrow or next week while the Coral keeps growing and infesting minds like yours, Iguazu, Thumb, Sella..... yeah disagree all you want that's your prerogative. we can agree to disagree

I'd argue "exactly how much are we willing to sacrifice out of fear of change?" Fires of raven might be best for preserving the status quo... but is the status quo really that interesting? Liberator you leave it up to chance. It doesn't have to be because of hope, though I wouldn't so easily disparage that either. Maybe 621 just wants to see what happens, even if what happens is watching the galaxy burn? Might be interesting to watch, or maybe just the boring same old. Who knows.

[robruckus65]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by robruckus65:

Where are you guys getting this idea that it wants to forcibly merge with humanity. If it really did all the humans on rubicon would have been merged well before we show up on the planet. Hell people use coral as a drug and it doesn't make them merge. The coral can just make connections with people that it can actually speak to like 621. The entire game the coral never tries to take control of us ayre is just chillin chatting with us and for the most part being pretty helpful.

A big enough coral surge will kill a human and take their conscience with it. That's what Ayre was warning 621 about when they made contact.

It's pure energy of course getting caught in a surge of it will kill someone. Don't think she said anything about it steal their consciousness though. They never really went into the voices within the coral like ayre besides them being wave mutations. It's hard to say if the coral itself is sentient or being a living energy peoples minds/being can be imprinted into the coral as they die. In the original fires many died and all we really know about how many people are in the coral is from what ayre says about the coral being her brothers and sisters.

[Gearwar]

Yea Fires of Raven is the best ending. Best boss fight, best ending, coolest legacy for 621 as well.

[Squirberus]

Originally posted by Gearwar:

Yea Fires of Raven is the best ending. Best boss fight, best ending, coolest legacy for 621 as well.

Anyone else kinda facepalm after hearing about the Fires of Ibis the whole time? Felt like I shoulda seen 'Fires of Raven' coming or something. It was just sneaky enough.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by robruckus65:

Originally posted by Silamon:

A big enough coral surge will kill a human and take their conscience with it. That's what Ayre was warning 621 about when they made contact.

It's pure energy of course getting caught in a surge of it will kill someone. Don't think she said anything about it steal their consciousness though. They never really went into the voices within the coral like ayre besides them being wave mutations. It's hard to say if the coral itself is sentient or being a living energy peoples minds/being can be imprinted into the coral as they die. In the original fires many died and all we really know about how many people are in the coral is from what ayre says about the coral being her brothers and sisters.

She specifically said you would be taken by the coral. The latter seems more realistic to me, people being imprinted in the coral.

Whether the coral actually wants to merge with humanity or not doesn't really matter, that's what will happen if it grows out of control... which is why what ayre tells you about the coral surge is relevant.

Edit: Ayre's exact words were "please, you must wake up. Before you consciousness... is forever scattered by the coral flow"

[Chief Spreading Bull]

Originally posted by burn1none:

Originally posted by ChiefSpreadingBull:

While you get to pick your ending like in all previous games, I reckon the cannon ending is Liberator of Rubicon because its the only one that leaves the door open for the inevitable expansion.

Possibly could be Liberator. I kinda think the 3rd ending has some interesting story implications. I may be wrong but Coral Release looks to be not universal maybe even contained to a single galaxy. Maybe in the future installments there is a new faction of Ruboconians like Ayre.


I like some of the other theories and ideas people are having. Yeah I’m not surprised some of you don’t have the stomach for genocide. Personally I wouldn’t either but I think the fact that opinions can be so divisive shows that From really crafted a great narrative.

Well just going by how FromSoft wrote its old games. All of em have the "renegade" kill em all option but FS always goes for the one that keeps the setting intact in the first game to facilitate the second or possibly third expansion which is usually the one with the out and out villain ending, like the Old King Path in 4Answer where you could end up dooming humanity to extinction.

I just hope we avoid the, You Turn into NPC thing they pulled in 4. I really really want continue the story with 621 and Ayre.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by ChiefSpreadingBull:

Originally posted by burn1none:

Possibly could be Liberator. I kinda think the 3rd ending has some interesting story implications. I may be wrong but Coral Release looks to be not universal maybe even contained to a single galaxy. Maybe in the future installments there is a new faction of Ruboconians like Ayre.


I like some of the other theories and ideas people are having. Yeah I’m not surprised some of you don’t have the stomach for genocide. Personally I wouldn’t either but I think the fact that opinions can be so divisive shows that From really crafted a great narrative.

Well just going by how FromSoft wrote its old games. All of em have the "renegade" kill em all option but FS always goes for the one that keeps the setting intact in the first game to facilitate the second or possibly third expansion which is usually the one with the out and out villain ending, like the Old King Path in 4Answer where you could end up dooming humanity to extinction.

I just hope we avoid the, You Turn into NPC thing they pulled in 4. I really really want continue the story with 621 and Ayre.

I'm sorry but I really doubt it.
I will almost bet that you will start as a new guy upstaging 621 in his Coral planet.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by ChiefSpreadingBull:

Originally posted by burn1none:

Possibly could be Liberator. I kinda think the 3rd ending has some interesting story implications. I may be wrong but Coral Release looks to be not universal maybe even contained to a single galaxy. Maybe in the future installments there is a new faction of Ruboconians like Ayre.


I like some of the other theories and ideas people are having. Yeah I’m not surprised some of you don’t have the stomach for genocide. Personally I wouldn’t either but I think the fact that opinions can be so divisive shows that From really crafted a great narrative.

Well just going by how FromSoft wrote its old games. All of em have the "renegade" kill em all option but FS always goes for the one that keeps the setting intact in the first game to facilitate the second or possibly third expansion which is usually the one with the out and out villain ending, like the Old King Path in 4Answer where you could end up dooming humanity to extinction.

I just hope we avoid the, You Turn into NPC thing they pulled in 4. I really really want continue the story with 621 and Ayre.

Actually im pretty sure Old King path in 4 answer WAS the canon ending. VD tied that world to the same earth as 4, and given that humanity has not left the Orca ending didn't happen, and since the corporations that wanted to maintain the status quo are also gone there's only one ending left...

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Actually im pretty sure Old King path in 4 answer WAS the canon ending. VD tied that world to the same earth as 4, and given that humanity has not left the Orca ending didn't happen, and since the corporations that wanted to maintain the status quo are also gone there's only one ending left...

Either league or ORCA ending was still possible due to them skimping out on details. Its possible the corps found an alternate means of tech aside from kojima technology, and considering I'd imagine most of their higher ups probably live on the cradles, it would have been in their best interests.

Its also possible that, while a contigent of humans did leave the planet with the ORCA remnants, that not all the people left just gave up and died. We don't know much about kojima particle radiation, or its half life. It might be the sort of thing that decays quickly over a long period of time, meaning without the cradles and widespread use of kojima tech, the pollution would have eventually dissipated.

In effect, the old king ending was exactly the same as the ORCA ending as per the consequences, just without the space team.

[Misaka MIkoto]

I agree My daddy Walter is the best ending so far, Is for the good of many, And is not even a joke, New coral evolution/Rubiconian bring to something that could result in an absolute massive and maybe the worst calamity ever encounter, Quoting halo, Flood is the same example.

Fires of raven.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by twiggy:

genocide is correct? especially when you have to keep constantly doing it every few years because the coral just eventually comes back over and over?

Coral is space bacteria, it's not self aware, it just gives you schizophrenia on contact, letting you hear voices that aren't there. It's like saying using anti-flu vaccine is genocide, because it kills the flu, or that mental treatment is genocide because it kills the voices.

[Chief Spreading Bull]

Originally posted by Outsider:

Originally posted by twiggy:

genocide is correct? especially when you have to keep constantly doing it every few years because the coral just eventually comes back over and over?

Coral is space bacteria, it's not self aware, it just gives you schizophrenia on contact, letting you hear voices that aren't there. It's like saying using anti-flu vaccine is genocide, because it kills the flu, or that mental treatment is genocide because it kills the voices.

Oh its definitely self aware, aware enough to pilot its own AC in the last mission of New Game++. And there's of course the other elephant in the room, the second coming of Hustler One.

[Gearwar]

Originally posted by ChiefSpreadingBull:

Originally posted by Outsider:

Coral is space bacteria, it's not self aware, it just gives you schizophrenia on contact, letting you hear voices that aren't there. It's like saying using anti-flu vaccine is genocide, because it kills the flu, or that mental treatment is genocide because it kills the voices.

Oh its definitely self aware, aware enough to pilot its own AC in the last mission of New Game++. And there's of course the other elephant in the room, the second coming of Hustler One.

The last AC in ng++ is coral? what? Ayre is coral and she is literally the og boss of ng.. if you don't betray carla.

Allmind/Igazu are an AI and a pilot.

[Chief Spreading Bull]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by ChiefSpreadingBull:

Well just going by how FromSoft wrote its old games. All of em have the "renegade" kill em all option but FS always goes for the one that keeps the setting intact in the first game to facilitate the second or possibly third expansion which is usually the one with the out and out villain ending, like the Old King Path in 4Answer where you could end up dooming humanity to extinction.

I just hope we avoid the, You Turn into NPC thing they pulled in 4. I really really want continue the story with 621 and Ayre.

Actually im pretty sure Old King path in 4 answer WAS the canon ending. VD tied that world to the same earth as 4, and given that humanity has not left the Orca ending didn't happen, and since the corporations that wanted to maintain the status quo are also gone there's only one ending left...

VD's sole tie to 4A was the White Glint simulation and Mother Will's corpse but they really never said anything about which ending prevailed or even if they all came to pass like in Deus Ex's lead up to Invisible War.

Old King could've won, but Orca used the power freed up by cradle crash to fire up the lasers and shoot down the closure satellites, then leave the planet. The Corps could've won, come to the solution as Orca and eventually abandoned the world, being the selfish jag-offs that they are. Either way, same out come, people get stuck in a ruined Earth in the lead up to V.

About the only sure thing in all endings is that Thermidor/Otsdarva dies like a punk.