Fires of Raven is the correct ending

[burn1none]

After doing all 3 I still gotta back my boy Walter. I don’t think humanity is ready for Coral and the other two endings made me think calamity is on the way anyways. What are y’all’s thoughts?

[Netaris]

As I've already said, 621 mean there was 620 dogs before you, dying for Walter to contribute to Overseer's plans to burn Coral. From my point of view, Walter feel guilty, he want you to be set free at the end as a way to redeem himself, to be able to think "at least the last one is alive and free now.". So, I don't consider him a bro, he use us for his interrests, nothing more.

[Kain]

Originally posted by imbrock:

Originally posted by BoboTheBear:

Walter all the way, he was a bro for you every step of the way, if you choose the liberator ending, he lowers his weapon at the end to disengage dying happy knowing you still have a friend. When you die at the coral to the ibis boss, he cries out "621!" obviously sad you get defeated. Even in his death, on the fires of ibis ending, he has a plan to get you out of prison. Full chad

His return there just made me think he'd been hiding out to make you think he was dead to try and guarantee 621 would sacrifice himself. I mean he'd spent the rest of the whole rest of the game lying to and manipulating 621.

No, he was captured for certain, you can hear him go quiet mid sentence on the Ibis mission.

[Jebe457]

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

As I've already said, 621 mean there was 620 dogs before you, dying for Walter to contribute to Overseer's plans to burn Coral. From my point of view, Walter feel guilty, he want you to be set free at the end as a way to redeem himself, to be able to think "at least the last one is alive and free now.". So, I don't consider him a bro, he use us for his interrests, nothing more.

C4-621 is a reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhofhspBd4

tweaked ever so slightly so it's not literally on the nose, while being immediately recognizable, as part of being a clear reference that influenced the writing around Walter, with their being some indication of Dune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xhJrPXop4

having relatively direct influences.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Kain:

No, he was captured for certain, you can hear him go quiet mid sentence on the Ibis mission.

Yep and that's why you have to fight him at the end, because he was "reeducated" by Arquebus. And just before dying, he put his weapon off because he have a moment of sanity before dying. But his death is a liberation for him at that point, as he's just an Arquebus puppet now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTuNSTfceM

See how he's talking, especially at the beginning.

[imbrock]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by imbrock:

His return there just made me think he'd been hiding out to make you think he was dead to try and guarantee 621 would sacrifice himself. I mean he'd spent the rest of the whole rest of the game lying to and manipulating 621.

No, he was captured for certain, you can hear him go quiet mid sentence on the Ibis mission.

I remember them saying they were planning to reducate raven and the team while getting knocked out after coral convergence but not any specific mention of Walter being captured. If they actually caught Walter;

How did he escape and why is he in his own AC?

His almost instant destruction of Rusty implies his AC is quite strong, how would he even be captured him?

Why is he not brainwashed?

Carla doesn't even confirm that Walter was captured. She just implies he's dead by conveying his "final wishes"

I really just got the impression he took Arquebus' attack as an opportunity to maneuver 621 into the final position Walter wanted him in by pretending to be dead or captured.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Jebe457:

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

As I've already said, 621 mean there was 620 dogs before you, dying for Walter to contribute to Overseer's plans to burn Coral. From my point of view, Walter feel guilty, he want you to be set free at the end as a way to redeem himself, to be able to think "at least the last one is alive and free now.". So, I don't consider him a bro, he use us for his interrests, nothing more.

C4-621 is a reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhofhspBd4

tweaked ever so slightly so it's not literally on the nose, while being immediately recognizable, as part of being a clear reference that influenced the writing around Walter, with their being some indication of Dune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xhJrPXop4

having relatively direct influences.

Very well spotted, other than the giant worm I haven't thought of Dune, but now that I think about it, yeah, I can see some Dune parallels.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by imbrock:

Originally posted by Kain:

No, he was captured for certain, you can hear him go quiet mid sentence on the Ibis mission.

I remember them saying they were planning to reducate raven and the team while getting knocked out after coral convergence but not any specific mention of Walter being captured. If they actually caught Walter;

How did he escape and why is he in his own AC?

His almost instant destruction of Rusty implies his AC is quite strong, how would he even be captured him?

Why is he not brainwashed?

Carla doesn't even confirm that Walter was captured. She just implies he's dead by conveying his "final wishes"

I really just got the impression he took Arquebus' attack as an opportunity to maneuver 621 into the final position Walter wanted him in by pretending to be dead or captured.

1. He didn't escape, Arquebus sent him after you on purpose.
2. The same way they got you without destroying your AC, they caught him by surprise.
3. he was.
4. she probably thought he was dead? Or just assumed he was no longer an ally.
5. He is actively trying to fight the brain washing the whole fight, and finally gets over it when he is able to see 621 and Ayre clearly. That's why he drops the gun and gives up.

[imbrock]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by imbrock:

I remember them saying they were planning to reducate raven and the team while getting knocked out after coral convergence but not any specific mention of Walter being captured. If they actually caught Walter;

How did he escape and why is he in his own AC?

His almost instant destruction of Rusty implies his AC is quite strong, how would he even be captured him?

Why is he not brainwashed?

Carla doesn't even confirm that Walter was captured. She just implies he's dead by conveying his "final wishes"

I really just got the impression he took Arquebus' attack as an opportunity to maneuver 621 into the final position Walter wanted him in by pretending to be dead or captured.

1. He didn't escape, Arquebus sent him after you on purpose.
2. The same way they got you without destroying your AC, they caught him by surprise.
3. he was.
4. she probably thought he was dead? Or just assumed he was no longer an ally.
5. He is actively trying to fight the brain washing the whole fight, and finally gets over it when he is able to see 621 and Ayre clearly. That's why he drops the gun and gives up.

He didn't show any evidence of brainwashing.
He repeatedly spoke about his friends wishes being his motivation for fighting.
Realized that 621 also had a friend he was helping.
Moved by 621s resolve towards his friend Walter dropped his weapon.

Thats how I saw it anyway. There was no direct visual or state evidence that arquebus captured Walter. Theres no line that states "Handler Walter captured" or one that states or even implies that he's under arquebus' control.

[Kain]

Originally posted by imbrock:

Originally posted by Silamon:

1. He didn't escape, Arquebus sent him after you on purpose.
2. The same way they got you without destroying your AC, they caught him by surprise.
3. he was.
4. she probably thought he was dead? Or just assumed he was no longer an ally.
5. He is actively trying to fight the brain washing the whole fight, and finally gets over it when he is able to see 621 and Ayre clearly. That's why he drops the gun and gives up.

He didn't show any evidence of brainwashing.
He repeatedly spoke about his friends wishes being his motivation for fighting.
Realized that 621 also had a friend he was helping.
Moved by 621s resolve towards his friend Walter dropped his weapon.

Thats how I saw it anyway. There was no direct visual or state evidence that arquebus captured Walter. Theres no line that states "Handler Walter captured" or one that states or even implies that he's under arquebus' control.

From is never direct but dude spoke like a zombie, for me it's heavily implies he was brainwashed.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by imbrock:

Originally posted by Silamon:

1. He didn't escape, Arquebus sent him after you on purpose.
2. The same way they got you without destroying your AC, they caught him by surprise.
3. he was.
4. she probably thought he was dead? Or just assumed he was no longer an ally.
5. He is actively trying to fight the brain washing the whole fight, and finally gets over it when he is able to see 621 and Ayre clearly. That's why he drops the gun and gives up.

He didn't show any evidence of brainwashing.
He repeatedly spoke about his friends wishes being his motivation for fighting.
Realized that 621 also had a friend he was helping.
Moved by 621s resolve towards his friend Walter dropped his weapon.

Thats how I saw it anyway. There was no direct visual or state evidence that arquebus captured Walter. Theres no line that states "Handler Walter captured" or one that states or even implies that he's under arquebus' control.

"621 they..... *pause* I have to dispose of you." He started to tell you what happened before the brainwashing kicked in and stopped him.
"the corporations orders... no... my friend's will" Really? Why would he even mention what the corporation wants him to do if he is not brainwashed? He NEVER cared what the corporations wanted before this point. He was fighting it the whole time, he let slip something he shouldnt have and the brainwashing corrected it.

Even while he fights you he keeps trying to be friendly, talking about how he wants you to take the money you earned and live a better life. At one point Ayre is completely disgusted with what Walter is being put through and tells Raven it has to stop because it was tragic seeing him like that.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by imbrock:

He didn't show any evidence of brainwashing.
He repeatedly spoke about his friends wishes being his motivation for fighting.
Realized that 621 also had a friend he was helping.
Moved by 621s resolve towards his friend Walter dropped his weapon.

Thats how I saw it anyway. There was no direct visual or state evidence that arquebus captured Walter. Theres no line that states "Handler Walter captured" or one that states or even implies that he's under arquebus' control.

From is never direct but dude spoke like a zombie, for me it's heavily implies he was brainwashed.

It was SO heavily implied that I am surprised anyone thought otherwise, to be honest. I thought it was extremely explicit what happened...

[Kain]

For real, Rusty is cool, but Walter is the best character in the game with the best arc.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Kain:

For real, Rusty is cool, but Walter is the best character in the game with the best arc.

I firmly believe that sans brainwashing 621 could have convinced Walter to help them stop the destruction of the coral. Towards the end Walter is clearly more on 621s side, seeing him as an equal instead of just a hound. To the point that he starts letting 621 pick the missions because he respects 621.

It's just kind of a shame that 621 never really expresses his intentions to the people around him, likely due to how badly his brain was damaged by the augmentation. I mean in the liberator ending he lets Carla think he got paid off by Arquebus of all things...

Carla was hellbent on destroying the coral though, I doubt she could have been convinced otherwise.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Tustle:

Originally posted by k-ricks:

then Walter send Transport helicopter to catch up with him supper easily
621: WOMaaaaaN!!!!

More like the scene cuts to the garage where the drop assemblies are hooking up to the AC, with 621 still hyperventilating a little. Then asking,
621: "Wait. Isn't...isn't this the helicopter drop bay? How'd we...how'd we get back here?"
COM: "Augmented human C4-621: entering standard mode."
621: "Oh hey computer. Could you tell me how we got back on the copter?"
COM: "Two new messages."
621: "That'll do. Lay it on me, computer!"
COM, playing back Walter's message: "Looks like you've made it to the central ice fields, 621-"
621: "Wait, the boss picked me up?! We could have flown across like sane people the entire freaking time?! CARRRRLAAAAA!"

Lol I'm pretty sure you just pointed out a genuine plot hole.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Tustle:

More like the scene cuts to the garage where the drop assemblies are hooking up to the AC, with 621 still hyperventilating a little. Then asking,
621: "Wait. Isn't...isn't this the helicopter drop bay? How'd we...how'd we get back here?"
COM: "Augmented human C4-621: entering standard mode."
621: "Oh hey computer. Could you tell me how we got back on the copter?"
COM: "Two new messages."
621: "That'll do. Lay it on me, computer!"
COM, playing back Walter's message: "Looks like you've made it to the central ice fields, 621-"
621: "Wait, the boss picked me up?! We could have flown across like sane people the entire freaking time?! CARRRRLAAAAA!"

Lol I'm pretty sure you just pointed out a genuine plot hole.

Carla probably thought 621 knew the risks and was just trying to be a bad ass or something. Walter probably assumed 621 had some plan of his own since he was moving the way he was.
Ayre either knew the risks and didn't care, or didn't know it was going to be dangerous for a human.

It's also possible Walter has those helicopters around the planet and can control them remotely though.

But yeah it is something I wish they had explained a bit better...