What do you think augumented humans really are?

[RadioMars]

It mentions that the operation itself is disturbing. What do you think they do to people?

[Midas]

It was called Human Plus in the old games. Basically you're gradually replaced with mechanical parts that let you interface better with the AC. With enough modification, the pilot is more machine than human.

How it was handled in AC1 was pretty awesome, honestly. One of the best ways to handle a game-over state in any game imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZT52oR8Ts0

[thorin.hannahs]

I think the level of integration might depend on the generation of augmentation. There are augments I have killed that died because I destroyed their AC and then there are those that lived even though their AC got wrecked.

So maybe later generation augs can exist normally outside of the AC while older gens cannot. Sulla is a gen 1 and he dies with the AC it also implies he is old as ♥♥♥♥ boy so probably just a brain in a jar. Rusty is rumored to be a gen 8 and they picked him out from being an effective soldier not just a pilot so I take it he still has his body.

The main pilot is a gen 4 maybe even a very badly damaged gen 4.

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The augmentations were different from first gen to second, In first generation, it was cybernetic implants in second it's implied that Human Plus is more biological than cybernetic but there's no real specific. In 3-Last Raven, Human Plus is replaced by OP-Intensify which was probably some kind of neural interface and then in 4 the entire thing changed, relating to eugenics and potential cloning of NEXT Lynx pilots, with non-Lynx pilots being relegated to 'Normals' (presumeably including cybernetically modified but still unable to operate a NEXT, since that requires actual human modification as evidenced by require neural compatibility with the control system. NEXT's were literally NewTypes.)

I'm not sure what happened in 5, but I assume 6 is a lot like 4 in that pilots are either cloned or enter into a eugenics program to become compatible with armored cores. The number thing, 'waking up' and the various tubes and gizmos stuck into our guy in the trailer is pretty heavy implication.

[hakabata]

I don't think Armored Core series is under the continuated setting. That's particularly noticeable in gen 5. Not much signs I found in the game to believe VI cybernetics share same things to prior titles. And From is known for its ambiguous setting and narrative style.

I like it that way. No need to collect lore and stuffs. Augmented 621 is a unfortunate tuna can. That's enough for me.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by hakabata:

I don't think Armored Core series is under the continuated setting. That's particularly noticeable in gen 5. Not much signs I found in the game to believe VI cybernetics share same things to prior titles. And From is known for its ambiguous setting and narrative style.

I like it that way. No need to collect lore and stuffs. Augmented 621 is a unfortunate tuna can. That's enough for me.

Well there is a line in ACV (supposedly) that connects ACV to AC4/FA, mainly they mention Kojima technology (Of which NEXTs, and for that matter a lot of other stuff in AC4 is based) is "Very old" tech.

Which means either ACV occurs well after the events of FA or its prequel where somebody had a huge breakthrough in Kojima tech, making it favorable to use, which would lead to AC4.

Beyond that its murky, FROM themselves have chosen not to confirm or deny whether or not any of the games aside from the obvious sequels (3 and last raven, 4 and FA as examples) are connected, leading to lots of debate on the subject...

[hakabata]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Well there is a line in ACV (supposedly) that connects ACV to AC4/FA, mainly they mention Kojima technology (Of which NEXTs, and for that matter a lot of other stuff in AC4 is based) is "Very old" tech.

Which means either ACV occurs well after the events of FA or its prequel where somebody had a huge breakthrough in Kojima tech, making it favorable to use, which would lead to AC4.

Beyond that its murky, FROM themselves have chosen not to confirm or deny whether or not any of the games aside from the obvious sequels (3 and last raven, 4 and FA as examples) are connected, leading to lots of debate on the subject...

Well, I don't take it as a direct connection. It's just that the series has revolving several things. Players can diehard to analyze the resemblance and to imagine it as a shared timeline. But yeah From does not give a ♥♥♥♥. They always have maintained the ambiguity. Like a big middle finger to star wars nerdy stuffs.

[Scippio]

The surgery involves Coral as of this game, which is sort of like a collective unconscious form of human life. I think it allows the augmented humans to tap into that and let them have intuitive control over their ACs, which is why they are the more expensive and rare component of their union with Armored Cores, it allows them to start treating their AC as if its an extension of their body ala the MIND series parts description. I imagine that it grants them longevity and superhuman traits, considering its the panacea of the games story and how many AC pilots are from vastly different generations and seem to be hundreds of years old.

[frowningmirror]

Theres like 10 different augmentation procedures in this game, and it sounds like it has to do with coral based on the descriptions of the arena pilots.

It also seems like ech augmentation comes with it's own drawbacks, the main character is stated to be "withdrawn" because of their particular 4th gen augmentation.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

It sounds like they all come with their drawbacks, the main character is stated to be "withdrawn" because of their particular 4th gen augmentation.

Sounds like just another excuse to have a silent protagonist to me, as is tradition for AC.

Though speech from the handler implies your character does actually speak to him in private. Mainly regarding "The voice" starting at around chapter 2 or so.

[Midas]

Originally posted by hakabata:

I don't think Armored Core series is under the continuated setting. That's particularly noticeable in gen 5. Not much signs I found in the game to believe VI cybernetics share same things to prior titles. And From is known for its ambiguous setting and narrative style.

I like it that way. No need to collect lore and stuffs. Augmented 621 is a unfortunate tuna can. That's enough for me.

They are theoretically potentially connected, but separated through whole eras of world-ending events. A general theme of nearly every armored core setting is that bad stuff happened, and this is the society that rose from the ashes.

Sorta like how Dark Souls is a continuity, but so separated in timeline and events in between that all that's left is basically the occasional reference to other entries.

[Ismjason]

Originally posted by thorin.hannahs:

I think the level of integration might depend on the generation of augmentation. There are augments I have killed that died because I destroyed their AC and then there are those that lived even though their AC got wrecked.

So maybe later generation augs can exist normally outside of the AC while older gens cannot. Sulla is a gen 1 and he dies with the AC it also implies he is old as ♥♥♥♥ boy so probably just a brain in a jar. Rusty is rumored to be a gen 8 and they picked him out from being an effective soldier not just a pilot so I take it he still has his body.

The main pilot is a gen 4 maybe even a very badly damaged gen 4.

I assumed 621 was eitherbasically an augment failure, or 621 was actually an extremely good pilot who almost died in combat, with walter paying to fix you and use you on rubicon either way. Also people dying with their AC wouldn't 100% mean they are even inside the AC, depending on what rules piloting the AC runs on. It's possible the coral lets you control it remotely, but the feedback from it getting destroyed could fry the brains of the older gen augments

[Ismjason]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

It sounds like they all come with their drawbacks, the main character is stated to be "withdrawn" because of their particular 4th gen augmentation.

Sounds like just another excuse to have a silent protagonist to me, as is tradition for AC.

Though speech from the handler implies your character does actually speak to him in private. Mainly regarding "The voice" starting at around chapter 2 or so.

It's implied your character talks quite a bit, due to NO ONE question who the random person accepting jobs for you when walter is busy is, so it's mostly likely you personally accepting them.

[Pizzaman]

I'm gonna wait for the art book/material book to come out. ACVD's book had good insight, and I hope AC6's book has good coverage on each augment "generation".

[hakabata]

Originally posted by Midas:

They are theoretically potentially connected, but separated through whole eras of world-ending events. A general theme of nearly every armored core setting is that bad stuff happened, and this is the society that rose from the ashes.

Sorta like how Dark Souls is a continuity, but so separated in timeline and events in between that all that's left is basically the occasional reference to other entries.

That's why I said the series has revolving things. There are repeating theme, atmosphere and names. But overall it's not a tied story. Each gen is different. You can only believe it is connected or not in theoretically potential way. It's an abstract which fits to From's artistic direction.

[FireShark]

Augmented humans are people who can beat the Heli boss and Balteus and don't come running to the boards to cry that bosses are impossible and that there's no build variety.