END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT = They still own your game

[Weegee]

First time i have read an END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT, and now it is clear that From Soft owns your game, and can chance the game or the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT with only notifing you a feew weeks befor. :(
And not to mention some sweet "data colection" under easy anti cheat.
:(

[John Titor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he2pOrvRlek

You should sue.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Fun fact you don't own any games! Soooo fun right? Lol

You own a license to play the games in your library and even when they were on disk you didn't own them that's never bin the deal.

[Bwoink ⭕⃤]

That's the same for all games and alot of digital products

[This PC]

You don't own any of the ~250 games on your steam profile.
You've agreed to DRM and anti-cheat in every game that has it.
You're prohibited from modifying your games in a majority of cases, and you're also prohibited from disabling safety features like EAC.

Originally posted by John Titor:

You should sue.

You're also prohibited from sueing them in a majority of cases, there's an arbitration clause in there. You're also prohibited to enact class action lawsuits. Of course, there's ways to wiggle around that, but that's the gist of it.

Licenses like these are mostly based around trust, these companies are way easier to be held liable than you are, so they reserve a maximum amount of rights, and when you hop on board, you trust them not to abuse them. At least it's how I see this. What you buy is these licenses, not the game, and the license grants you access to the software within terms. ^^''

I personally think you should do what you want with the software, but you should also be aware of the terms within the EULA, and know when you're breaking them so you don't encourage others to break it and unwittingly incentivize From to enforce their EULA harder.

[_oBSOLEte_]

We'll see how Arxan and EAC prevents offline. Game gonna be cracked anyway, wouldn't be surprised if it's day one.

And if you're concerned about the data collected, you should request a human readable copy of it from support. And if they dont comply, report them to GDPR assocciations like here https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/your-right-to-get-copies-of-your-data/

Make them have to work a bit for it. They sell in the EU and UK, they're bound to GDPR regulation. EULA isnt the law.

[This PC]

They don't have to work to get your data when you've openly agreed to it by launching the game. And well, ultimately, if you're worried about data collection, you probably shouldn't be on steam and on windows. Probably shouldn't be on youtube, you shouldn't use google search (or duckduckgo, rofl), and this goes on and on~~~

If you disagree at any point, it's up to you to accept the license or not, and not buy/launch the game if you don't agree.

Edit: EULA might not be the law, but you're liable if you don't respect a contract you agree to, that do be the law, and EULA is a contract between you and a provider. GDPR does allow data collection, as long as you give permission, and you're allowed to get your data/request deletion. If you don't consent, don't buy/launch the game. If this data collection concerns EAC, it doesn't collect data unless you trigger a flag in it~

[Emerald Lance]

It depends on the country. In some Asian countries, breaking EULA is tantamount to breaking the law outright, and you can be sued and even imprisoned. This is why mods and cheats are actually illegal in Japan, for instance.

Meanwhile in the US, no cival contract allows superceding the law (the terms of a contract are not law), and you cannot be sued for breaking a EULA, though you can be subject to the (lawful) consequences of breaking a EULA as it is outlined therein, such as being banned from an online service, etc. Also there are laws proctecting sovereignty over physical property (ie my computer hardware and any software loaded on it). An indefinite license to download and operate software (which is what Steam sells) is considered as good as ownership in US law, and likewise such a license that has been legally purchased cannot be revoked for breaking EULA, regardless of what its terms are. Once I download the game, I will have full ownership of the files, and neither FS nor Bamco will be able to legally contest it. Any alterations I choose to make to the files is my legal prerogative. The worst that could happen to me is that Steam goes down and I will have to legal way to reaquire any files, or that FS decides to ban me from online play. In the US, that's as far as it can go; any attempt by FS or Bamco to sue for breaking EULA would get thrown out immediately by any US court.

I'm ignorant of UK and European law, so I can't speak there. I imagine it ranges the whole gamut depending on the specific country.

[This PC]

Originally posted by Emerald Lance:

An indefinite license to download and operate software (which is what Steam sells) is considered as good as ownership in US law, and likewise such a license that has been legally purchased cannot be revoked for breaking EULA, regardless of what its terms are. Once I download the game, I will have full ownership of the files, and neither FS nor Bamco will be able to legally contest it. Any alterations I choose to make to the files is my legal prerogative.

I somehow doubt this, very few businesses would operate in the US if that was the case, and I highly doubt that you can contest BN in front of the law if they revoke your license. Furthermore, I doubt that software is even governed by ownership law. Like, you can't own the code in these files, it's tantamount to saying you own lord of the rings because you bought the books.

Like, from the perspective of a developer, what you're saying there is abhorrent, if I follow that logic, I might as well give away my source code with any software I sell so someone can build their own copy to sell themselves.

Another consequence of your logic here is like.. "I bought Lord of the Rings trilogy in blu-ray, therefore I can upload it to youtube in full and benefit from ad revenue, I own the data on that blu-ray after all". This is what "ownership" means.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Originally posted by Emerald Lance:

I'm ignorant of UK and European law, so I can't speak there. I imagine it ranges the whole gamut depending on the specific country.

I have yet to read about a case of a software or backup being forcibly deleted because a license agreement isn't followed in EU or UK. And when it comes to data rights I've only seen company using the more strict legislation as global policy (on paper, in practice I have serious doubts).

[This PC]

I mean, it's not because Bandai Namco has no means to get into my computer to delete my modifications or the files that it's allowed, they totally might find a way to send you a cease and desist however. I have received one such thing from a company through my ISP once (fairly long time ago, not related to BN), and one of the conditions was to delete the offending files. They have no way to know if I did or not (and I doubt they would send my local police to check, rofl), but clearly, they were intent on protecting their reserved rights. Also, I got this from an american company all the way in Canada.

Though in a majority of cases, it's not economically feasible for them to target you or other end-users, what is most likely to happen if they think that people take their EULA so loosely is tightening measures that protect their rights, like DRM and Anti-Cheat, which is really always a loss for the end user. They might also target people who distribute content that breaks the EULA ie: mods. Thus, by taking the EULA loosely, you might be harming just about every end user yourself. Measures like DRM and anti-cheat weren't born out of the blue~ They're a response to a need these companies feel.

[ZTL-Altima]

Of course they own the game. If it did not come attached to a license, you could just purchase one copy, reverse engineer it, and then resell infinite other copies.

[Donte]

I mean if you activate the key on steam it will say thanks for activating subscription so yeah. It's like that in this hellish landscape of capitalistic loopholes

[Lovveen]

Don't care, I just want to play the game lol

[Bignastious]

another fun fact your accounts are being leased or something rather so you are sharing all of your info one way or another. if its not in your hands its not yours lol

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

Doesn't matter, cause they also unkowingly agreed to my end user agreement.

Which stipulates that if they try to screw me over in any way, I will be authorized to set sail for Nassau and never look back.