Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

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Thousand Dec 15, 2024 @ 3:05am
Need help with Lahmu
So at this point I can basically kill phase 1 in like 10 moves at this point, I may be able to tweak the rotation and not use the defense debuff move but ultimately it's not that big of a deal.

The problem is that phase 2 he's still strong enough to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ one shot me, all it takes is one crit to get enough damage as he spams so much AoE it feels like (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Silt of Ruin just wipes out so much health). The only thing I can think of is to alter my build as I've basically gone full magic, I've got like 70+ Magic and no more than like 27 in the other stats, with a small emphasis on Vitality and Agility, which from the other stats I'm seeing isn't really that far off, but it seems like I have to blitz hard and fast, and yet i need to use the magatsuhi skill in phase 1 to get the quick kill. It's not a matter of damage for me as I have a fairly wide array of demons, it's just a matter of doing enough damage to out him because I just can't survive and restore my team's health to full.

EDIT So I beat the bastard after ramming my head against a wall for hours and just said ♥♥♥♥ it and lowered the difficulty level. It STILL wasn't a walk in the park either, this game I swear to god has a disproportionate damage system.
Last edited by Thousand; Dec 16, 2024 @ 3:33am
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Argonisgema Dec 15, 2024 @ 4:26am 
what level are you?
ebolaisamongus Dec 15, 2024 @ 2:02pm 
It seems like you're problem is you don't have a good defense which is why it feels like a DPS race. You can improve you defensive a couple ways:

        
  1. Find the lv 36 Aogami essense near a waterfall at then of the river east of the Fairy Village (forget the name) but it has a skill you can learn call "Kanabi Veil" which reduces the damage received by 30% until next turn. Very good for not dying in the mid game. This I highly recommend if taking damage is a worry.
        
  2. Use them buffs and debuffs. The best one at that point in the game is tarunda which decreases attacks because the party buffs are probably too expensive mp-wise.
        
  3. Don't forget to guard, it prevents crits and has significant damage reduction. Typically guard whenever an enemy gathers magatsuhi
  4. Learn some miracles that increase magatsuhi accumulation
Argonisgema Dec 15, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
I also suggest getting the cash to buy thos immunity items that cover your party for a turn like null dark attacks or something. once you know what he does when he gathers magatsuhi then you be prepared and thow that out to protect yourself.
Thousand Dec 15, 2024 @ 8:04pm 
Originally posted by ebolaisamongus:
It seems like you're problem is you don't have a good defense which is why it feels like a DPS race. You can improve you defensive a couple ways:

        
  1. Find the lv 36 Aogami essense near a waterfall at then of the river east of the Fairy Village (forget the name) but it has a skill you can learn call "Kanabi Veil" which reduces the damage received by 30% until next turn. Very good for not dying in the mid game. This I highly recommend if taking damage is a worry.
        
  2. Use them buffs and debuffs. The best one at that point in the game is tarunda which decreases attacks because the party buffs are probably too expensive mp-wise.
        
  3. Don't forget to guard, it prevents crits and has significant damage reduction. Typically guard whenever an enemy gathers magatsuhi
  4. Learn some miracles that increase magatsuhi accumulation

The problem is phase 2 seems to go first so I get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Ruin of Silt so that's already a huge chunk of damage done. With bad enough luck it kills one demon while leaving me critical, there's no opportunity to recover from that. Seems like I'll need some secondary party to swap into right before I take out phase 1. I'm not sure if buffs would carry over though.
Thousand Dec 15, 2024 @ 8:05pm 
Originally posted by Argonisgema:
I also suggest getting the cash to buy thos immunity items that cover your party for a turn like null dark attacks or something. once you know what he does when he gathers magatsuhi then you be prepared and thow that out to protect yourself.
Unless he's scripted to do the exact same series of attacks that won't help. He's go 3 elements to hurl out and best case I can block 2 of them, but that won't stop his physical attack or his unique. I'm also lv 38
Argonisgema Dec 15, 2024 @ 8:16pm 
Originally posted by Thousand:
Originally posted by Argonisgema:
I also suggest getting the cash to buy thos immunity items that cover your party for a turn like null dark attacks or something. once you know what he does when he gathers magatsuhi then you be prepared and thow that out to protect yourself.
Unless he's scripted to do the exact same series of attacks that won't help. He's go 3 elements to hurl out and best case I can block 2 of them, but that won't stop his physical attack or his unique. I'm also lv 38
I'm pretty sure he's scripted to use the same attacks when he gather magatsuhi, infact most bosses are scripted to use the same move.
Thousand Dec 15, 2024 @ 10:08pm 
Originally posted by Argonisgema:
Originally posted by Thousand:
Unless he's scripted to do the exact same series of attacks that won't help. He's go 3 elements to hurl out and best case I can block 2 of them, but that won't stop his physical attack or his unique. I'm also lv 38
I'm pretty sure he's scripted to use the same attacks when he gather magatsuhi, infact most bosses are scripted to use the same move.
That's the thing, he hasn't gathered magatsuhi yet by the time he drops me, if turn 1 he'll always use Ruin of Silt, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack is just doing too much damage for me to survive through unless buffs carry over.
Argonisgema Dec 16, 2024 @ 5:23am 
Originally posted by Thousand:
Originally posted by Argonisgema:
I'm pretty sure he's scripted to use the same attacks when he gather magatsuhi, infact most bosses are scripted to use the same move.
That's the thing, he hasn't gathered magatsuhi yet by the time he drops me, if turn 1 he'll always use Ruin of Silt, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack is just doing too much damage for me to survive through unless buffs carry over.
Ok then your first step if to level up more so you can survive long enough to get to the gather magatsuhi part if you don't even survive longe enough for him to use more of his moves. by then you will have gained levels to fuse stronger demons with better moves.
gravity Dec 16, 2024 @ 6:11am 
i like to use a jaki demon (loa is pretty solid), rasetsu feast magatsuhi ability. knocks the enemies stats down to low base stats, then just keep debuffing them every turn (rakunda) while buffing your team and using def items (dampeners etc) as long i am hitting their weakness it keeps the buff/debuff edge going while i wack them repeatedly. my MC is fully magic stat build with all the heavy-hit single target elemental skills, just make sure everyone is hitting with the weakness and you keep up with the press turns. this has worked for every single fight so far, every single boss fight, just gotta go in prepped ahead of time
Edit- playing on hard, no need to change difficulty just gotta prep for each fight
Last edited by gravity; Dec 16, 2024 @ 6:13am
Thousand Dec 17, 2024 @ 4:34am 
Originally posted by Argonisgema:
Originally posted by Thousand:
That's the thing, he hasn't gathered magatsuhi yet by the time he drops me, if turn 1 he'll always use Ruin of Silt, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack is just doing too much damage for me to survive through unless buffs carry over.
Ok then your first step if to level up more so you can survive long enough to get to the gather magatsuhi part if you don't even survive longe enough for him to use more of his moves. by then you will have gained levels to fuse stronger demons with better moves.

I already beat him, I just lowered the difficulty, I had already spent like 5 hours grinding, I was already lv 38 and even Easy was still in 'just lived' territory, that first attack just does too much damage and I guess bosses just have the built-in ability to crit with magic attacks because that's exactly what happened, I thought I went crazy the one time but nope, that's likely what killed me in the one attempt. The problem with all the advice so far is that it does nothing against Ruin of Silt, that attack does too much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage and the healing in this game is complete ass and every attempt resulted in phase 2 going first meaning I was basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Unless these types of 2 phase boss fights carry over buffs and I just never saw it, everything suggested was just useless. 'Level up more', when the attack is doing well over 60% of my health when I'm almost lv 40 I have to question just how many more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ levels I need. 'Use buffs', how the ♥♥♥♥ do I buff when the boss goes first unless it's a complete coin flip and I just lost it several times in a row OR buffs carry over in situations like that. 'Guard when he draws in magatsuhi', Ruin of Silt is a turn 1 move the boss doesn't need to draw in magatsuhi. If Ruin of Silt doesn't ring a bell then let me further explain: I'm talking about when the bastard has that sperm demon shoot out of one of it's eye sockets.
Arifufu Dec 17, 2024 @ 7:47am 
bro Lahmu has innate skill that allow magic to crit if allies using an elemental skill that have skill potential on them (Lahmu unique skill is almighty and he also has positive almighty skill so his unique skill can crit outside omagatoki: crit), you can spyglass him

i was bring him for magic crit, until i unlock Lakhsmi much later

well anyway at least you have beaten him
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