Matador got buffed (New Demon Passives)

[Ron Swanson]

So one of the changes in Vengeance is demons now how this little special passives assigned to them, and I found out Matador's allows him to have a "chance to insta-kill targets when hitting their weakness OR causing a critical. And his Magatushi power is guaranteed criticals, so even if you have wind resistance and physical resistance, he can still insta-kill you if you don't take him down before he uses magatushi power.

I had the unfortunate luck of him 1-shotting me with critical mazan 5 times in a row, makes me wonder if the other fiends will have similar surprises in store for us. I had to resort to using a force damper to survive even though entire party was force resistant.

Anyone else seen anything similar to this further in the game that was not in the base version?

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Ron Swanson:

So one of the changes in Vengeance is demons now how this little special passives assigned to them, and I found out Matador's allows him to have a "chance to insta-kill targets when hitting their weakness OR causing a critical. And his Magatushi power is guaranteed criticals, so even if you have wind resistance and physical resistance, he can still insta-kill you if you don't take him down before he uses magatushi power.

I had the unfortunate luck of him 1-shotting me with critical mazan 5 times in a row, makes me wonder if the other fiends will have similar surprises in store for us. I had to resort to using a force damper to survive even though entire party was force resistant.

Anyone else seen anything similar to this further in the game that was not in the base version?

um... literally EVERY demon has a new passive assigned to them, not just Matador. there's tons of surprises.

[borizb]

Originally posted by Ron Swanson:

So one of the changes in Vengeance is demons now how this little special passives assigned to them, and I found out Matador's allows him to have a "chance to insta-kill targets when hitting their weakness OR causing a critical. And his Magatushi power is guaranteed criticals, so even if you have wind resistance and physical resistance, he can still insta-kill you if you don't take him down before he uses magatushi power.

I had the unfortunate luck of him 1-shotting me with critical mazan 5 times in a row, makes me wonder if the other fiends will have similar surprises in store for us. I had to resort to using a force damper to survive even though entire party was force resistant.

Anyone else seen anything similar to this further in the game that was not in the base version?

Thank you so much for this post. Good read after 20+ threads with people bragging how ultra easy this game was. God do i hate those people.

I also get crit + hit killed from time to time, not much you can do about it but level up and try again. How is your buff/debuff/guard on enemy magatsuhi game?
I used the Magatsuhi skill that takes away his buffs, then debuff him in the same turn and in the next round hit him with everything i got and hold out (Oni with Taunt + Guard) until my Magatsuhi bar is full again. Rinse and repeat.

[fish want me]

i got him down to like 1 hp and then he got a lucky crit on me :(

won't let it happen again.

[Citronvand]

Ah, that explains how he could one-shot one of my demons even though she had full health, guard I believe and matador had double attack down.

Tough boss, it's the first one where I had return later after some fusions and higher level (hard-mode). Ended up using kikuri-hime for immunity to force, acc/eva & attack down and media. Xuanwu for his high def (vitality) and acc/eva down. Oni that resist physical, has taunt and counter physical attacks. Finally I made nahobino immune to force through essence fusion.

[mimizukari]

Abaddon has this same passive... Got close to beating him with good RNG on my first attempt, but then he crit 3/4 my team and got the instakill.

[TheCthultist]

Marin Karin and guarding right before his big crit rounds helps a lot. He seems pretty weak to charm effects.

[Sigvuld]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

Originally posted by Ron Swanson:

So one of the changes in Vengeance is demons now how this little special passives assigned to them, and I found out Matador's allows him to have a "chance to insta-kill targets when hitting their weakness OR causing a critical. And his Magatushi power is guaranteed criticals, so even if you have wind resistance and physical resistance, he can still insta-kill you if you don't take him down before he uses magatushi power.

I had the unfortunate luck of him 1-shotting me with critical mazan 5 times in a row, makes me wonder if the other fiends will have similar surprises in store for us. I had to resort to using a force damper to survive even though entire party was force resistant.

Anyone else seen anything similar to this further in the game that was not in the base version?

um... literally EVERY demon has a new passive assigned to them, not just Matador. there's tons of surprises.

That's

What the OP was saying

They literally said "demons now have this" in the first sentence lmfao

[RDG]

OP don't forget the dampeners, a single well placed dampener can mean your victory or your demise in these fights (in hard at least), you can carry 3 from the vendor. If it is blocked it cant crit :) .Always carry then, always replenish them.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Sigvuld:

Originally posted by mimizukari:

um... literally EVERY demon has a new passive assigned to them, not just Matador. there's tons of surprises.

That's

What the OP was saying

They literally said "demons now have this" in the first sentence lmfao

but then they end with

"Anyone else seen anything similar to this further in the game that was not in the base version?"

there's literally 40+ major adjustments to the game not counting minor stuff like save anywhere, so what're they getting at?

[Monjac]

Matador is actually very weak in this game , because of the DLC and a bunch of new heroes who has gotten FAR MORE useful innates than him.

Mephisto for eg , has a passive that buff all weakness dmg , Beelzebub debuff will downgrade 2 ranks if you dont have any herald or megami in the active party.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Monjac:

Matador is actually very weak in this game , because of the DLC and a bunch of new heroes who has gotten FAR MORE useful innates than him.

Mephisto for eg , has a passive that buff all weakness dmg , Beelzebub debuff will downgrade 2 ranks if you dont have any herald or megami in the active party.

you won't have any DLC demons by the time you're properly supposed to face matador... the first DLC demon is artemis at 30+, and sakuya is 50... matador is 24, meaning matador is very strong when you face him. you'll need purge gems and all the support you can muster.

[borizb]

Originally posted by Monjac:

Matador is actually very weak in this game , because of the DLC and a bunch of new heroes who has gotten FAR MORE useful innates than him

any enemy that you prepare for properly is weak.
Same with Nocturne's Matador. You're underleveled, you lack the resistance, your demons are too weak - you get rekt. You learn, you level up, you come back better, you win. Because that is how these games work.

[Monjac]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

Originally posted by Monjac:

Matador is actually very weak in this game , because of the DLC and a bunch of new heroes who has gotten FAR MORE useful innates than him.

Mephisto for eg , has a passive that buff all weakness dmg , Beelzebub debuff will downgrade 2 ranks if you dont have any herald or megami in the active party.

you won't have any DLC demons by the time you're properly supposed to face matador... the first DLC demon is artemis at 30+, and sakuya is 50... matador is 24, meaning matador is very strong when you face him. you'll need purge gems and all the support you can muster.

Yes I did , I beat Dagda very early with taunt and resist dmg . Easily infact because he wasted all his time beating down on a tank.

I also beat Mephisto very early game with Cleopatra.

[Monjac]

Originally posted by borizb:

Originally posted by Monjac:

Matador is actually very weak in this game , because of the DLC and a bunch of new heroes who has gotten FAR MORE useful innates than him

any enemy that you prepare for properly is weak.
Same with Nocturne's Matador. You're underleveled, you lack the resistance, your demons are too weak - you get rekt. You learn, you level up, you come back better, you win. Because that is how these games work.

I am referring to the title where OP said Matador got buffed , which he did not .
Because he got one of the more useless Innate compare to the other demons .

So even if we are talking about all demons in general , he didn't get buff. In fact he got nerfed because he is less useful than the others who have gotten far more useful passive .

[borizb]

Originally posted by Monjac:

I am referring to the title where OP said Matador got buffed , which he did not .
Because he got one of the more useless Innate compare to the other demons .

So even if we are talking about all demons in general , he didn't get buff. In fact he got nerfed because he is less useful than the others who have gotten far more useful passive .

Matador got a unique trait that can, in a best case scenario instakill an entire party, which he couldn't do before and lost no skills in turnl. Which is the very definition of a buff.

Other demons unique traits being more or less useful is for the most part personal preference of playstyle/built setup. Some people prefer one trait over the other (attack, defense, support), that doesn't necessarily make one of them better or worse than the other, as it entirely depends on the situation. So what you say is your opinion, which is fine, but you're trying making it sound like a fact - which it is not.