Remove Denuvo

[eepy83]

or you'll get no money

[id]

Originally posted by big poo:

or you'll get no money

agreed.

[Wyzard]

yarrrrrrr

[id]

Originally posted by Wyzard:

yarrrrrrr

Really never understood why asking to remove DRM is the same as wanting piracy. This don't make any sense at all.

Not want DENUVO is more about decrapify the game and ensure you'll be able to play it in an internet havok situation than actually commiting piracy...

In a nutshell, while DENUVO ensures the game is not mine besides paying expensive prices for it, I ensures that DENUVO will never see the color of my money ever again. It is as they say: the future is DRM free indie games.

[⚡Nash]

I think majority people want Denuvo removed so they can use cheat engine in a singleplayer game to get rid off the annoying grind or pay money to skip. I for one had this issue with marvel midnight suns where midway into the game you need to grind te same crap to unlock stuff.

Games that don't respect your time should not get your money.

[sadRaya]

Denuvo doesn't prevent cheat engine, just search [game title] trainer if you wanna cheat.

[Wehzy]

Originally posted by ⚡Nash:

I think majority people want Denuvo removed so they can use cheat engine in a singleplayer game to get rid off the annoying grind or pay money to skip. I for one had this issue with marvel midnight suns where midway into the game you need to grind te same crap to unlock stuff.

Games that don't respect your time should not get your money.

Please, what? Denuvo has nothing to do with cheat engine.
Back in the day games didn't had denuovo and you still had to grind and no one complained.
If you dont have time for gaming then spend your time doing something else productive.

Games are not there to "respect" your time. The opposite.

[Golddragoon99]

Originally posted by Wehzy:

Please, what? Denuvo has nothing to do with cheat engine.
Back in the day games didn't had denuovo and you still had to grind and no one complained.
If you dont have time for gaming then spend your time doing something else productive.

Games are not there to "respect" your time. The opposite.

Back in the day? Games that have a lot of grinding still exist and plenty of people still play them in spite of that, some even love the grind (just look at Disgaea fans). Some people just have less time to themselves as they get older/gain more responsibilities.

Even then, it's such a dumb take to say "if you don't have the time to game, go do something else productive" like you've never heard of relaxing after work, or even having a day off before. While it won't be every game, they most certainly can be developed with the intent to respect the player's time, and vice versa.

[Kairos]

Originally posted by Golddragoon99:

... some even love the grind (just look at Disgaea fans).

Never before has a comment made me feel both called out, and validated at the same time. Bravo.

Sincerely,
A Disgaea fan that loves the grind


....Oh, and on the topic of Denuvo, It doesn't have to be hated from a piracy or cheating standpoint. I have seen numerous times where it has drastically affected a games performance. On top of that, I used to travel a lot for work, and having guaranteed internet was a luxury I seldom had, so games that required " be online at least once every X days" could end up unplayable real quick until I took my flight home. I get wanting to protect their investments, but why should paying customers have to suffer? Especially when there are pirates out there just flat out removing Denuvo, and getting a better experience for free?

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Golddragoon99:

Originally posted by Wehzy:

Please, what? Denuvo has nothing to do with cheat engine.
Back in the day games didn't had denuovo and you still had to grind and no one complained.
If you dont have time for gaming then spend your time doing something else productive.

Games are not there to "respect" your time. The opposite.

Back in the day? Games that have a lot of grinding still exist and plenty of people still play them in spite of that, some even love the grind (just look at Disgaea fans). Some people just have less time to themselves as they get older/gain more responsibilities.

Even then, it's such a dumb take to say "if you don't have the time to game, go do something else productive" like you've never heard of relaxing after work, or even having a day off before. While it won't be every game, they most certainly can be developed with the intent to respect the player's time, and vice versa.

You want to relax after work by cheating in a JRPG?

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by Kairos:

Originally posted by Golddragoon99:

... some even love the grind (just look at Disgaea fans).

Never before has a comment made me feel both called out, and validated at the same time. Bravo.

Sincerely,
A Disgaea fan that loves the grind


....Oh, and on the topic of Denuvo, It doesn't have to be hated from a piracy or cheating standpoint. I have seen numerous times where it has drastically affected a games performance. On top of that, I used to travel a lot for work, and having guaranteed internet was a luxury I seldom had, so games that required " be online at least once every X days" could end up unplayable real quick until I took my flight home. I get wanting to protect their investments, but why should paying customers have to suffer? Especially when there are pirates out there just flat out removing Denuvo, and getting a better experience for free?

Jesus, I don't even know where to start with the ignorance.

1. Denuvo CANNOT be removed from games, all it can only be bypassed, its still there, doing everything it ususally does but it is tricked into thinking you're playing a legitimate copy.

2. There is only one person in the world who can crack Denuvo V5+. Her name is Empress and she cracks about 1 or 2 games a year now if that, and she onlycracks games she wants to play.

3. Give me a single example of a game that suffered severe performance problems and those problems were caused by Denuvo?

4. You can afford a flight home but not a few KB of data on your mobile phone?

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Jesus, I don't even know where to start with the ignorance.

1. Denuvo CANNOT be removed from games, all it can only be bypassed, its still there, doing everything it ususally does but it is tricked into thinking you're playing a legitimate copy.
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3. Give me a single example of a game that suffered severe performance problems and those problems were caused by Denuvo?

1. My take (mind you this is me running for gold in mental gymnastics); it likely seems like it helps, because the server Denuvo is phoning home to is now "127.0.0.1", which shouldn't even take time to hit (if it does, you have other problems).

3. "Lord of the Fallen" on it's initial release a number of years back. I stand by the belief that it also wasn't the service as much as the DEVs flubbing up the implementation (as the re-release also had similar problems, but a lot fewer of them lol). Cracked copies however where the only way to get stable FPS back then.

Also - I love the "flight home" replies; why do you people never bother to check things before you get on the plane? I traveled recently, and the night before, I loaded up my PS Vita to make sure "Persona 4 G" and "Twisted Metal" were there/launch-able. Not that hard to put in 2 minutes to plan ahead lol.

[raditzaceme2]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

4. You can afford a flight home but not a few KB of data on your mobile phone?

This stupid viewpoint again. If you dont set games to not auto update, some games will automatically update as soon as connected to internet, which makes that KB become MB or even GB. Then, you have to open the game, exit, turn steam into offline mode, and then turn internet off. And did i mention you have to also pray that turning computer off doesnt cause the game to become unavailable? How do I know this? Because I lived that with Persona 5 royal. Under 2 hours but have most of the achievements. I had to put computer to sleep instead of shutting down or else i would not be able to play it. And no, the "connect to mobile data every day" doesnt work as hotspot data isnt unlimited for some companies and will raise the bill.

People have really taken convenience and think it is basically a necessity. The only reason i bought vengeance is because i have stable internet now and can deal with denuvos stupidity. The only way denuvo will stop being a thing is if someone wants to become a majority share holder in atlus and convince them to remove it, or become the ceo instead (might actually be a better thing for future games if the ceo is an actual gamer).

[Izayoii]

atlus game will always have denuvo

[id]

Originally posted by Izayoii:

atlus game will always have denuvo

That's a shame. I'll never buy games from them again thanks to DENUVO.

[Handsome_WombatX6969]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NMuobVVwQ
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/282924-denuvo-really-does-cripple-pc-gaming-performance
https://80.lv/articles/testing-reveals-games-with-denuvo-launch-up-to-four-times-slower/
Gabe Newell - on piracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk&t=136s