Pay to cheat BS

[BeefOrBacon]

I am so sick of these games that have pay to win DLC. I was looking forward to playing this for months. Can't take it anymore. There are too many good games out there that have pay to cheat. I am so sad by this, honestly. Like...these devs these days make games and deliberately make in game currency difficult to get or extra grindy and then pitch "Oh, if you spend $3 you can get in game money easier!" I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Do not buy this.

[Jayborg]

The obvious rebuttal to this is the fact that there is a super easy mode that is free...
But I agree that it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when companies add xp boosts etc as dlc. Assassin's Creed Odyssey being the one that pissed me off the most.
This game isn't like that though. The grind in SMT is usually well balanced and isn't added with dlc in mind. If you understand and engage with the game mechanics you don't need to grind. SMT has been this way from the beginning.
There are far greater offenders in the industry like Ubisoft or Capcom that actually do what you are accusing this game of doing.

[ZDK]

I love it and will always support cheat dlc lol.

[Trump Kard]

Several people before me have basically said this already, but I have to agree with them. Its a single player game, it isn't hurting ANYONE that they've decided to create DLC that someone can choose to either buy or avoid. If someone wants to spend THEIR money on a product, who're you to say that they shouldn't? You've chose not to purchase it, that's your decision and nobody is condemning you for it, so why complain about the availability of something that helps someone accomplish something? Not everyone has the time to commit fully to a game that they enjoy.

As someone who's in my late thirties and plays games as much as time permits, I look at those around me who have children and other real world responsibilities that prevent them from being able to put in the hours that others can. In my eyes, that's who these are for. Sure, it maybe hard for someone not in their shoes to justify a dollar amount on something that let's them 'jump forward' but in that scenario, who's it REALLY hurting?

I get that this probably won't really impact how you feel in the least, but at least I can say I tried -- y'know? Just let people be, enjoy your game -- or don't and let this completely spoil everything about the game for you. Just try to remember not everyone is the same.

[AutumnsFALL67]

BeefOrBacon の投稿を引用：

RotsNai の投稿を引用：

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

That doesn't address the fact that the devs deliberately make the game extra grindy to get you to buy the boosts. It's a problem of incentives.

they dont though

[HRHV87]

How do you know this is a good game if you didn't play the Switch version? you obviously didn't play the OG since the mimata dance was there also.

[JCKLNTRN]

BeefOrBacon の投稿を引用：

RotsNai の投稿を引用：

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

That doesn't address the fact that the devs deliberately make the game extra grindy to get you to buy the boosts. It's a problem of incentives.

The game isn't actually grindy at all, just turn the extra mitamas off in the menu, and that will make for a better experience anyway.

[Sigvuld]

BeefOrBacon の投稿を引用：

RotsNai の投稿を引用：

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

That doesn't address the fact that the devs deliberately make the game extra grindy to get you to buy the boosts. It's a problem of incentives.

They don't lmao

SMT's always been grindy

Wehzy の投稿を引用：

TheronGodspeed の投稿を引用：

It's a solo game.
Why do you care?

You're weird. And, this game is great!
Your Loss.

Because people dont want any items that make them OP at the start or OP weapons?
Dead Space 2 did the same thing back in the day, it gave you bunch of DLC weapons which were insanely broken.

you're weird.

Why use them tho

What's weird to me is someone scowling angrily while actively choosing, consciously, to use powerful DLC things, that's not the dev's fault

[Black Lamb, Rock Enjoyer]

Disagree with people saying its not a problem becus single player game.

Also, disagree that the cheat DLC is any big impact. Most of the time consumption "grind" is determining which fusions to route out. All the cheat DLC does is make it so instead of exiting and re-entering the map to go to set locations and kill the Mitamas, you turn on a toggle for the Mitamas.

[HRHV87]

Black Lamb, Rock Enjoyer の投稿を引用：

Disagree with people saying its not a problem becus single player game.

Also, disagree that the cheat DLC is any big impact. Most of the time consumption "grind" is determining which fusions to route out. All the cheat DLC does is make it so instead of exiting and re-entering the map to go to set locations and kill the Mitamas, you turn on a toggle for the Mitamas.

But that's a "you" problem, why do you even care how other people enjoy their leisure time on a single player game? Like, actual question. Why does it bother you that other people can cheat in a closed environment? If it's a single player experience you should focus on how YOU enjoy the game not how others traverse the game.

I put in hundreds of hours in fighting games in which you actually need skill and work to prevail, in those environments I'm very much against cheating because others cheating does have an impact on me and it does makes things worse for everone but when some 35 year old dad wants to play with cheats during his offtime in a single player game? why does he have to play the way YOU want? You haven't provided a reasonable explanation to this other than "they are not playing the way I want them to"

[Professor Higglebottom]

You know it's really interesting seeing these "DLC" or "Denuvo" threads pop up from accounts that haven't had a comment in over 2-3 years.

But they SUDDENLY become active again on steam forums.

[bitsu]

OP's 100% correct but i bought deluxe anyway because gaming needs the crash it deserves

[bitsu]

Professor Higglebottom の投稿を引用：

You know it's really interesting seeing these "DLC" or "Denuvo" threads pop up from accounts that haven't had a comment in over 2-3 years.

But they SUDDENLY become active again on steam forums.

alex jones over here
careful unless you've got a spare billion dollars

[Professor Higglebottom]

bots の投稿を引用：

Professor Higglebottom の投稿を引用：

You know it's really interesting seeing these "DLC" or "Denuvo" threads pop up from accounts that haven't had a comment in over 2-3 years.

But they SUDDENLY become active again on steam forums.

alex jones over here
careful unless you've got a spare billion dollars

Nah it's more so the OP hasn't made a post in 3 years, and suddenly this is the first thing said, despite having other games that have or had microtransactions on them, but not say anything about those?

[Sub1der]

BeefOrBacon の投稿を引用：

I am so sick of these games that have pay to win DLC. I was looking forward to playing this for months. Can't take it anymore. There are too many good games out there that have pay to cheat. I am so sad by this, honestly. Like...these devs these days make games and deliberately make in game currency difficult to get or extra grindy and then pitch "Oh, if you spend $3 you can get in game money easier!" I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Do not buy this.

What a loser.

[Apple2k]

kiteless 凧無し の投稿を引用：

Classic case of FOMO

Cut some base content out and hold it to ransom for some extra cash. Anything to get you to buy the deluxe edition

Game looks mid AF anyway. I’m sure it’s like every overrated Atlus game where 75% of the playtime is spent grinding, that’s why they sell you exp boosters, so you can speed up all the boring crap

if u think 75% of atlus games r grinding then u've clearly only played the newer ones lol. games like smt iii, iv, devil survivor, etc barely require any grinding and u just need to play smart and be resourceful.