Pay to cheat BS

[BeefOrBacon]

I am so sick of these games that have pay to win DLC. I was looking forward to playing this for months. Can't take it anymore. There are too many good games out there that have pay to cheat. I am so sad by this, honestly. Like...these devs these days make games and deliberately make in game currency difficult to get or extra grindy and then pitch "Oh, if you spend $3 you can get in game money easier!" I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Do not buy this.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

Given the incentive to do NG+ in order to get all the endings/fusions, I imagine the intended path with the grinding is to keep looping until you hit 99 anyway, the mitama dlcs are for people who would rather fast track the whole thing, if you only intend to play the game one time then having them to boost you to max level near the end game is a lot easier, that being said, I agree that having these DLCs is dumb, but they've been doing this for a long time now. Doesn't help they also made even more demons as dlc this time, despite this supposedly being the ultimate version of the game.

so BoB was correct. thanks for being honest mate. I'll pass on this one but hope everyone else who bought it, has fun.

[Axel Arden]

Originally posted by BeefOrBacon:

Originally posted by TheronGodspeed:

It's a solo game.
Why do you care?

You're weird. And, this game is great!
Your Loss.

You don't understand the problem of incentives? If there is a boost item DLC, then they can deliberately get the most amount of people to buy DLC by making the currency that the DLC grants even scarcer than if the design of the game did not have that DLC at all. Do you not understand the basic logic?

Normally I'd agree. I've been critical of "create a problem and sell the solution" design in the past. Ubisoft is probably one of the worst offenders with this in Assassin's Creed. But these grinding DLC have existed in SMT since the 4th game, back on the 3DS, and the games are definitely not tuned around them -- it's always been a grindy series. If that's something you don't like, then it's probably not for you.

The DLC is easily ignored (I won't be buying or using it) and the game can be completed without it.

[Troubled Lemon-Drop]

Shin Megami games are grindy? What? Huh? It's almost like that's expected of the franchise. Huh? What?

[COCAINE BEAR]

Yeah the mitama dlc is silly. I was hoping they introduced scaling in V but nope still see more mitamas than actual mobs with it on

[Wehzy]

Originally posted by TheronGodspeed:

It's a solo game.
Why do you care?

You're weird. And, this game is great!
Your Loss.

Because people dont want any items that make them OP at the start or OP weapons?
Dead Space 2 did the same thing back in the day, it gave you bunch of DLC weapons which were insanely broken.

you're weird.

[Wehzy]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Classic case of FOMO

Cut some base content out and hold it to ransom for some extra cash. Anything to get you to buy the deluxe edition

Game looks mid AF anyway. I’m sure it’s like every overrated Atlus game where 75% of the playtime is spent grinding, that’s why they sell you exp boosters, so you can speed up all the boring crap

Seems like you've never played any Atlus game and you just hate on it for no reason. I played P3 and P4 and had to grind maybe 2h in total when i was underlevel'd because it was my first real JRPG. Had to get used to it.

I played bunch of JRPGS and Atlus JRPGs are the only ones i like. Not too much of a grind and one of the best story-driven games.

If you think Atlus games are grindy, then oh boi you've never played any Pokemon game before.

You say game looks mid but all you play is Visual novel "games" LMAO.

[[sMil3]]

Imagine getting mad because of optional DLC you don't need to use on a single player game.

If you see "P2W" stuff in a single player game and can't resist the urge to use it maybe the problem is you.

[Sylph]

okay bye crybaby

[Cloud]

If you can pay your way to skip progression, it's litteraly pay to win.
If the grind is long and there's a pack of money you can buy, it's not a coïncidence.
I support the persona games, but if that's how they want to adress monetisation in shinigami they will not get my money at all and if you're defending anti-consumer practices, imagine the world in 10 years when every company will take advantage of you and it will be the normal. It's not normal.

[Fruit Chinpo Samurai]

Put more effort into your bait please!!!!

[SKINLESSHEAD]

Originally posted by DamienClawd:

If you can pay your way to skip progression, it's litteraly pay to win.
If the grind is long and there's a pack of money you can buy, it's not a coïncidence.
I support the persona games, but if that's how they want to adress monetisation in shinigami they will not get my money at all and if you're defending anti-consumer practices, imagine the world in 10 years when every company will take advantage of you and it will be the normal. It's not normal.

You can't even spell the series name correctly. Why would anyone care about your opinion? Guess what! Atlus has been doing this since at least smt4. The game is easy on normal and you get more than enough experience. Did you also complain about the microtransactions in dragon's dogma 2?

[Leacorice]

Let me first say that the digital deluxe edition is the cost of the base game + the 2 actual gameplay DLC bundled and the mitama dlc is basically thrown in free for buying the game and the gameplay DLC as a bundle.

Yes, the mitama DLC does give you an advantage but they can honestly be a ballache to work with unless you know how to deal with them and are prepared and able to do so. And the advantage is honestly negligible at times as its a 1/3 chance you'll actually be able to do anything in those encounters before they ♥♥♥♥ off.

As for the game being grindy, I say this with sincerity but also not me caring how it comes across.... Is this your first time playing an SMT game? These games have almost always been unrepentant grindfests.

Anyway.

The Mitama bonuses can make your life a little easier but you can absolutely have the same experiences as everyone else without them.

[COCAINE BEAR]

Originally posted by Leacorice:

Yes, the mitama DLC does give you an advantage but they can honestly be a ballache to work with unless you know how to deal with them and are prepared and able to do so. And the advantage is honestly negligible at times as its a 1/3 chance you'll actually be able to do anything in those encounters before they ♥♥♥♥ off.

lol what just spyglass > pass > pass > pass > use weak elemental dmg item

[Swirly]

Originally posted by BeefOrBacon:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Classic case of FOMO

Cut some base content out and hold it to ransom for some extra cash. Anything to get you to buy the deluxe edition

Game looks mid AF anyway. I’m sure it’s like every overrated Atlus game where 75% of the playtime is spent grinding, that’s why they sell you exp boosters, so you can speed up all the boring crap

Exactly.

I get it’s 2024 and people just rag on everything without trying it but SMT V straight up isn’t a grindy game. In the original the only thing that “almost” encourages you to grind is the secret boss and that was because of the horrid scaling punishing underleveled players….and that’s fixed. If you somehow need to grind, the game hands you side quest with more than enough XP to stay afloat. Tired of fake outrage from people that wouldn’t have ever bothered to try the game in the first place. You’re free to hate it, but by god be correct.

[Swirly]

Originally posted by DamienClawd:

If you can pay your way to skip progression, it's litteraly pay to win.
If the grind is long and there's a pack of money you can buy, it's not a coïncidence.
I support the persona games, but if that's how they want to adress monetisation in shinigami they will not get my money at all and if you're defending anti-consumer practices, imagine the world in 10 years when every company will take advantage of you and it will be the normal. It's not normal.

I get there’s a joke of Persona fans not playing their game but how do you proclaim to be a fan of these games and just now caught on to the, at best questionable and at worst ♥♥♥♥♥♥, monetization decisions when things have this have been going on since the games hit 3DS. The series you claim to love literally has Personas given to you at high levels in both 5R and 3R and that’s just mentioning those two. P5R literally had encounter DLC to fight P3 and P4 protagonists for EXP. So I’m leaning on you never really actually playing these games you’re claiming to be an active fan of. Don’t get me wrong, a ♥♥♥♥ decision is a ♥♥♥♥ one but play the games actually mate.


…That aside. As someone who’s played the original Shin Megami Tensei V, as well as 1, 2, 3, 4, 4A, SJ and even Imagine….V isn’t grindy. Hell the only real grindy entry is 3 and even then you don’t really need to when the game boils down to buffs, debuffs and
elemental weaknesses. V is the most generous with side quest EXP, and I know this is Steam so the likelihood of you actually playing the original (or hell, any of Atlus’s game) is low but man. Why do only people on Steam seem to think it’s this grindy game when the rest of the gaming space know otherwise? These games haven’t been grindy since the PS2.