Pay to cheat BS

[BeefOrBacon]

I am so sick of these games that have pay to win DLC. I was looking forward to playing this for months. Can't take it anymore. There are too many good games out there that have pay to cheat. I am so sad by this, honestly. Like...these devs these days make games and deliberately make in game currency difficult to get or extra grindy and then pitch "Oh, if you spend $3 you can get in game money easier!" I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Do not buy this.

[Topzchi]

ok

[RotsNai]

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

[BeefOrBacon]

Originally posted by RotsNai:

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

That doesn't address the fact that the devs deliberately make the game extra grindy to get you to buy the boosts. It's a problem of incentives.

[TheronGodspeed]

It's a solo game.
Why do you care?

You're weird. And, this game is great!
Your Loss.

[BeefOrBacon]

Originally posted by TheronGodspeed:

It's a solo game.
Why do you care?

You're weird. And, this game is great!
Your Loss.

You don't understand the problem of incentives? If there is a boost item DLC, then they can deliberately get the most amount of people to buy DLC by making the currency that the DLC grants even scarcer than if the design of the game did not have that DLC at all. Do you not understand the basic logic?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Classic case of FOMO

Cut some base content out and hold it to ransom for some extra cash. Anything to get you to buy the deluxe edition

Game looks mid AF anyway. I’m sure it’s like every overrated Atlus game where 75% of the playtime is spent grinding, that’s why they sell you exp boosters, so you can speed up all the boring crap

[BeefOrBacon]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Classic case of FOMO

Cut some base content out and hold it to ransom for some extra cash. Anything to get you to buy the deluxe edition

Game looks mid AF anyway. I’m sure it’s like every overrated Atlus game where 75% of the playtime is spent grinding, that’s why they sell you exp boosters, so you can speed up all the boring crap

Exactly.

[Cat]

Given the incentive to do NG+ in order to get all the endings/fusions, I imagine the intended path with the grinding is to keep looping until you hit 99 anyway, the mitama dlcs are for people who would rather fast track the whole thing, if you only intend to play the game one time then having them to boost you to max level near the end game is a lot easier, that being said, I agree that having these DLCs is dumb, but they've been doing this for a long time now. Doesn't help they also made even more demons as dlc this time, despite this supposedly being the ultimate version of the game.

[crussgame]

I see your point, but we're living in an era driven by unbounded capitalist greed: what did you expect from people who live and breath just to make profit? A lot of people know that ATLUS have scummy practices, but the SMT/ Persona franchise is still popular and they have a loyal fanbase with stockholm syndrome to support them.

You can totally refund the game, and if you really want to play it, get it on a great sale. You still have options.

[DumbKet]

Originally posted by BeefOrBacon:

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You don't understand the problem of incentives? If there is a boost item DLC, then they can deliberately get the most amount of people to buy DLC by making the currency that the DLC grants even scarcer than if the design of the game did not have that DLC at all. Do you not understand the basic logic?

The problem with this logic is that Shin Megami Tensei as a series has always had lower amounts of exp/money materials in general, the game series has and always would be grindy with or without the skip the grind DLC's.

The franchise was always designed this way. So complaining about DLC that you can simply turn off is doing nothing?

[viktorhallo]

problem with it is that some people might not realize it ruins the difficulty of hard mode. hard mode with the DLC packs that spawns unlimitied rare demons that gives exp and money is probably easier than normal mode without it.

[Lucid]

Originally posted by BeefOrBacon:

Originally posted by RotsNai:

You can disable the Mitama dlc even before playing if that bothers you. Not a reason good enough to not give the game a try but that's up to you.

That doesn't address the fact that the devs deliberately make the game extra grindy to get you to buy the boosts. It's a problem of incentives.

Funnily these games are never meant to be grindy via the traditional levelling process. It's strategic through trial and error not like FF or DQ

[♪RL]

The exp you get from regular combat is about the same as the prior smt games, even on 3 before exp dlc (starting in 4) was even a thing. The main thing it is missing is the talking exp bonus from 4 (so far, I'm sure you get that later I never beat it on Switch). But like, you don't really need to grind unless a boss is giving you a hard time, otherwise bosses are all about strategy. IF your demons don't work in a fight, time to use other demons. This series started as dungeon crawlers and it still keeps that dungeon crawler mentality.
While I don't agree with selling exp/money dlc, you're over exaggerating.

[rikkaWow]

the game is not balanced around the p2w dlcs. they only exist due to publisher requirements, similar to the p2revive ♥♥♥♥ in dmc5. its a well-designed game on its own and you shouldnt need to grind on hard mode except to make an OP team for the optional superbosses.

likely case of skill issue if you think the game demands grinding. killing enemies only when they are directly in your way and generally not seeking out fights otherwise is more than enough exp.

[ele]

I didn't realise this was a PvP game?