Wich is better SMT NOCTURNE or SMTV: VENGEANCE?

[NunoTheDude (YT)]

Hello beatifull bastards, my best buddy got me smt V and i have the nocturne game in other platform, wich one should i start and wich one is better ? (no spoilers please)

I am newcomer to the series and am very enticed by creature colecton and the vibe and ost, so plz advize me with no spoilers thanks u, happy new year

[mimizukari]

games are unconnected, v is better and you could start with v.

[Arifufu]

both games are great, the only downside playing Nocturne it has worse graphic and random encounter, if you are ok with these 2 things Nocturne is a great game. The main problem of Nocturne is random encounter, if the game decide to let random enemies get first turn you mostly screwed especially if they have mudo and hama skills, while in V insta-kill from hama and mudo skills only effective against weak to dark or light. So V is more balance and you won't get insta-kill easily and in V it's easy to avoid random enemies

[Voldred]

After playing both games for about 20 hours each, I'd have to give the recommendation to SMT 5. I had to stop playing 3 because the random encounters just got way to tedious, especially when there's almost no 'safe zones'. I also feel like SMT 5 is more forgiving to newcomers, as it lets you experiment more with builds and teams.

[NunoTheDude (YT)]

Originally posted by Voldred:

After playing both games for about 20 hours each, I'd have to give the recommendation to SMT 5. I had to stop playing 3 because the random encounters just got way to tedious, especially when there's almost no 'safe zones'. I also feel like SMT 5 is more forgiving to newcomers, as it lets you experiment more with builds and teams.

Ah i see i shall do do then and if i like it ill go back to noc

[VarCapel]

You should start with Nocturne before this one. Playing this asfter will feel more rewarding as you notice similarities in style and other things. Vengeance feels like a more grand and more expansive updated version of Nocturne

[NunoTheDude (YT)]

Originally posted by VarCapel:

You should start with Nocturne before this one. Playing this asfter will feel more rewarding as you notice similarities in style and other things. Vengeance feels like a more grand and more expansive updated version of Nocturne

isnt noc more dated and not fun?

[ShinkuTear]

I feel that Nocturne was good for its time, but it was PS2 era, same as the original incarnation of Persona 3, and that it may have not aged particularly gracefully over the years.

I feel Nocturne is worth giving a chance if you can get it for cheap, but in my own personal opinion of having playing Nocturne on PS2 and Steam, and SMT 5 on Switch, I feel that SMT 5 is the better. Or rather, 5 is the one I feel is more likely to be enjoyable.

[Xafron Chi]

SMTV is the first and only Atlus game I have played. I have a friend though who plays a lot of their games, and his other friend also does, and both of them pretty much said the same thing.

SMTN is a good game, but as the store page put it it's "infamously punishing."

[viktorhallo]

i think nocturne got better gameplay in alot of ways. complicated maze like dungeons less guidance a harder hard mode and you have to pay more attention to team building and strategy since dying can send you quite abit back.
SMT5 feels more modern with better graphics cooler looking demons and a better user experience in most ways.
i think its better to start with SMT5 since nocturne is less beginner friendly and its easier to get punished for bad builds or choices.

[NunoTheDude (YT)]

Originally posted by viktorhallo:

i think nocturne got better gameplay in alot of ways. complicated maze like dungeons less guidance a harder hard mode and you have to pay more attention to team building and strategy since dying can send you quite abit back.
SMT5 feels more modern with better graphics cooler looking demons and a better user experience in most ways.
i think its better to start with SMT5 since nocturne is less beginner friendly and its easier to get punished for bad builds or choices.

i dont mind ps2 games i love their vibe and allot of them aged well (dmc3, kh3, mgs3 ex), but yeah ig ill do that smtv first, but 3 better gameplay? woah arent there more aditions and depth in V? thats crazy

[HRHV87]

Idk, I like Nocturne vibes better. The combat is also much more unforgiving in Nocturne if you are looking for a challenge, other than that, both are good games that can be played in any sequence.

[Seba Jun]

Imo, SMT nocturne had it's flaws mostly in artistic direction. I was not enjoying the location since it was really empty and bland, and that's a shame since the story and mechanics were really incredible but the staging just let me uninterested. SMT V did a little better on this side, but still was a little empty for my personnal tastes.
Imo (so that's still my personnal opinion, stop getting offended because I don't like your game guys), the saga just peaked at SMT IV, best staging in the entire whole serie and even had a sequel called Final/Apocalypse. SMT IV had just everything, masterpiece soundtracks, beautilfull environnement, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HUGE plot twist that I hope you didn't got spoiled (so I advise to not look at apocalypse if possible) and peak mechanics for encounters. Don't get me wrong tho, it had it's flaws too, like an irregular difficulty going through rough start to basically destroying anything (that is obviously if you know a little about the saga tho).

My STILL personnal tastes on SMT is SMTIV/Apocalypse>Strange Journey (redux if you can)>SMT1/2>Soul Hackers 1>Devil Survivor 1/2>SMT3/5 for the ones I played.

[Astolfo]

v because better waifu demons and gameplay

[Sylph]

Play III, IV and IV Apocalypse first

[Kandidaten]

Originally posted by viktorhallo:

i think nocturne got better gameplay in alot of ways. complicated maze like dungeons less guidance a harder hard mode and you have to pay more attention to team building and strategy since dying can send you quite abit back.
SMT5 feels more modern with better graphics cooler looking demons and a better user experience in most ways.
i think its better to start with SMT5 since nocturne is less beginner friendly and its easier to get punished for bad builds or choices.

I'll come out and say it, Nocturne is pure trash compared to SMTV: Vengeance.

I don't mind difficulty, getting insta-killed from an ability or so, that's fine. The difference is that Nocturne does not respect your time at all, like many old games didn't.

A single death could set you back having to rewatch the same cutscenes and/or fight your way back to the boss again.

Nocturne was my first SMT game, and I play most of my games on hardest difficulty, unless I straight up hit a wall. In Nocturne it wasnt that issue, it was just that it was unfun. Complicated maze like dungeons don't add to game play, and when you have one save point maybe 6 minutes of walk/fighting to a boss, that is disrespectful to the player and their time.

SMTV: Vengeance has a weird non-exploration exploration, where stuff shows up on your mini-map and you go there.

I am long time JRPG player, and I have played the Persona games, and Metaphor:ReFantazio, so it is not the mechanics in itself that I am complaining about, I have a good grasp of building a team and being versatile. SMT Nocturne just.. shows its age I guess. Uninteresting story, battles are a roll over or a get rolled over. Get sent back to save point.