Satan & Demi Fiend. Who’s harder?

[Goaty Sauce]

I’ve seen conflicting opinions on who’s more difficult. Which one do you think was harder and what made them more difficult?

[RexEviL]

Random enemy with instakill.

[RedOcean]

Lucifer is just a dps check, Demi-fiend is an endurance and luck check.

Edit: Sorry thought you said Lucifer; I believe Satan is harder because Megido Ark and his ability to constantly heal and buff himself/party and change affinities. Lots of almighty attacks that cannot be resisted/null/blocked.

[SKINLESSHEAD]

Demi fiend took me more attempts, but i was also more prepared for satan. Both fun fights.

[0rion_09]

Satan is just a stat and dps check. As long as you can hurt him more than he heals himself you'd be fine. Megido Ark isn't a problem as long as you have enduring soul on every single one of your demons, or you can use your nahobino as a dodge tank with luminescent mirage (Revival chant also helps).
Satan's constant change of affinity will not be a problem if you're not overly reliant on your initial line up and have no problem changing your party line up mid-fight. Also His companion summoning follows a pattern, so you can carefully anticipate and plan which one of his companions to kill and which one you let him absorb once you learned the pattern.

Demi-Fiend for me is trickier because that fight relies more on luck. There are a lot of elements to it that is out of your control. Plus, Accursed poison isn't as effective as it was in SMT V Vanilla, so sealing him to prevent mediarahan is less reliable as a strategy.

[ShepirotGamer]

Satan is probably harder atleast in terms of cheese strats. You can pretty much defeat Demi-Fiend in one turn with a bit of preparation but with satan you cant do that because his health is super bloated and you also are kinda locked into doing luminescent mirage almost every turn to make him use megidolaon instead of megido ark so it doesnt instakill your demons.

I am currently stuck on Satan but i just gotta figure out how to damage the summons quick enough so he doesn't heal more than i can hurt him from absorbing them.

[0rion_09]

Originally posted by ShepirotGamer:

Satan is probably harder atleast in terms of cheese strats. You can pretty much defeat Demi-Fiend in one turn with a bit of preparation but with satan you cant do that because his health is super bloated and you also are kinda locked into doing luminescent mirage almost every turn to make him use megidolaon instead of megido ark so it doesnt instakill your demons.

I am currently stuck on Satan but i just gotta figure out how to damage the summons quick enough so he doesn't heal more than i can hurt him from absorbing them.

Satan's Hp is just about enough for a superboss In my opinon. It's just that he has such high stats even in a non godborn playthrough that even my dps demons can barely tickle him. I don't know if his stats are any different below hard, but he has 198 Vitality and 132 in every other stats. Only my 150 strength Nahobino can deal a decent amount of damage with Murakumo + Criitcal Aura (1300-2100 damage). Even then it still wasn't enough, so I grinded more stats for my demons. And then the fight became somewhat even.

[shekeirnah]

Originally posted by 0rion_09:

Demi-Fiend for me is trickier because that fight relies more on luck. There are a lot of elements to it that is out of your control. Plus, Accursed poison isn't as effective as it was in SMT V Vanilla, so sealing him to prevent mediarahan is less reliable as a strategy.

I think you're right about everything you said but I just wanna add that you can use Omogatamoki: Hit and then use a Seal Gem (or Makajama/on if you're carrying it for some reason) and it'll hit every time, because yeah they did nerf Accursed Poison lol.

[Hanzo]

Originally posted by ShepirotGamer:

Satan is probably harder atleast in terms of cheese strats. You can pretty much defeat Demi-Fiend in one turn with a bit of preparation but with satan you cant do that because his health is super bloated and you also are kinda locked into doing luminescent mirage almost every turn to make him use megidolaon instead of megido ark so it doesnt instakill your demons.

I am currently stuck on Satan but i just gotta figure out how to damage the summons quick enough so he doesn't heal more than i can hurt him from absorbing them.

Every time he drains minions he will get their affinities and weaknesses, so you may want him do drain specific enemy to poison him for example or get his specific weakness. His magatsushi skills depends on whom he devours. I think he will do a full restore if he drains Titania.

[ShepirotGamer]

Originally posted by Hanzo:

Originally posted by ShepirotGamer:

Satan is probably harder atleast in terms of cheese strats. You can pretty much defeat Demi-Fiend in one turn with a bit of preparation but with satan you cant do that because his health is super bloated and you also are kinda locked into doing luminescent mirage almost every turn to make him use megidolaon instead of megido ark so it doesnt instakill your demons.

I am currently stuck on Satan but i just gotta figure out how to damage the summons quick enough so he doesn't heal more than i can hurt him from absorbing them.

Every time he drains minions he will get their affinities and weaknesses, so you may want him do drain specific enemy to poison him for example or get his specific weakness. His magatsushi skills depends on whom he devours. I think he will do a full restore if he drains Titania.

Yeah i mean just finished defeating him, but i still think satan is harder even if its just a different way of harder, he just has so much more health than demi-fiend that the battle extends for so long you are almost 100% gonna be running low on mana items.

This was my setup if anyone's interested.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293294692
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293295079
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293294825
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293294964

Pretty standard stuff, i put in Demi-Fiend too to do chaotic will to halve the turns and be supporting with items most of the time.

[A.K.T.]

Excluding cheesing, the one you do first is harder.

Satan's AI acts dumber when you hit it with Chaotic Will, and guest DF can survive a full-power Megido Ark as long as buffs/debuffs are net-positive. Demi-Fiend gets trashed with the stat boosts from Moral Transcendence, and you can outright survive Gaea Rage if you put enough into VIT on the way to 150 (~400 VIT IIRC).

[0rion_09]

Originally posted by shekeirnah:

Originally posted by 0rion_09:

Demi-Fiend for me is trickier because that fight relies more on luck. There are a lot of elements to it that is out of your control. Plus, Accursed poison isn't as effective as it was in SMT V Vanilla, so sealing him to prevent mediarahan is less reliable as a strategy.

I think you're right about everything you said but I just wanna add that you can use Omogatamoki: Hit and then use a Seal Gem (or Makajama/on if you're carrying it for some reason) and it'll hit every time, because yeah they did nerf Accursed Poison lol.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for next time I fight him again.

[Ahriman]

I don't know if it's intentional but luminescent mirage (the tsukuyomi nahobino skill) makes it so Satan will almost never use Megido Ark which makes the whole fight considerably easier as long as you bring a demon that can clear through the adds, masakado being the best one. I assume the devs were aware of this interaction since it's a nahobino skill, so I would say demifiend is harder unless you cheese him

[0rion_09]

Originally posted by ShepirotGamer:

Yeah i mean just finished defeating him, but i still think satan is harder even if its just a different way of harder, he just has so much more health than demi-fiend that the battle extends for so long you are almost 100% gonna be running low on mana items.

The amount of health he has isn't the problem, what makes his fight last longer than Demi-Fiend's is his 193 Vitality. In comparison, Demi-Fiend only has 99 in all stats including Vit which is 94 less of what Satan has. If you want to make this fight feel even (as in balanced) and less tedious and lengthy the answer is simple. Just farm incenses and balms to raise your stats to close the gap between your stats and Satan's.

Other than his inflated stats, he has nothing else that makes him as much of a threat as Demi-Fiend and Masakado. With Luminescent Mirage (or Chaotic will if you use Demi-Fiend as a guest), Enduring soul, and sufficient stats, Satan becomes the least threatening superboss in the game.

Fighting Satan with low stats feels like Fighting Shiva at level 85-90 in the original SMT V.