Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

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RotsNai Jul 1, 2024 @ 1:15am
About one of the Vengeance Endings (HEAVY SPOILERS)
I get the fact that in the Law ending all the wishes come true and the dead characters are back (somehow) but what about the demons or Tsukuyomi and Aogami?
Is really vague and it would have been nice to see a more clear ending but at least not as vague like the Chaos one
Edit: I remember now Tao talking about believing in a Future where Demons and Humans could get along, so there's also that.
Last edited by RotsNai; Jul 1, 2024 @ 1:19am
Originally posted by Star Sage:
Given how it's framed, I think we can take this as an extension on the Law ending of Creation's route. The idea is pretty much that everything has been reset back to zero, with everyone alive again, and their world rendered just a bit happier, as you have the power to grant miracles.

Given it looks like no one is suffering in the class shot, with Iso back to life, as well as the sick girl now looking quite so down and moving very energetically, their problems are solved.

For demons, that's a bit vaguer, but I think that's because the way demons 'live' isn't quite the same as we humans. They don't NEED to eat, for instance. They do, but they don't have to. So simply giving them their own corner of the world to exist in, and making them comfortable would be enough for 99% of them.

Basically, take it as red that you and Tao are trying to make everyone happy, and unlike the due from Persona 5 Royal, you're doing it by actually listening to their wants and prayers, and fulfilling their desires in ways that don't hurt others. As opposed to him who merely altered what people wanted in cases where he couldn't or wouldn't, creating the 'smiles painted on their souls' situation.
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Star Sage Jul 2, 2024 @ 8:39am 
Given how it's framed, I think we can take this as an extension on the Law ending of Creation's route. The idea is pretty much that everything has been reset back to zero, with everyone alive again, and their world rendered just a bit happier, as you have the power to grant miracles.

Given it looks like no one is suffering in the class shot, with Iso back to life, as well as the sick girl now looking quite so down and moving very energetically, their problems are solved.

For demons, that's a bit vaguer, but I think that's because the way demons 'live' isn't quite the same as we humans. They don't NEED to eat, for instance. They do, but they don't have to. So simply giving them their own corner of the world to exist in, and making them comfortable would be enough for 99% of them.

Basically, take it as red that you and Tao are trying to make everyone happy, and unlike the due from Persona 5 Royal, you're doing it by actually listening to their wants and prayers, and fulfilling their desires in ways that don't hurt others. As opposed to him who merely altered what people wanted in cases where he couldn't or wouldn't, creating the 'smiles painted on their souls' situation.
RexEviL Jul 2, 2024 @ 8:59am 
Cov Tao somewhat has twisted law personality due to Yoko's influence.
Star Sage Jul 2, 2024 @ 9:09am 
Originally posted by RexEviL:
Cov Tao somewhat has twisted law personality due to Yoko's influence.
That was the point of the ending scene. It was them solidifying their positions. As Tao was influenced by her to see that sometimes drastic actions were necessary, Yoko is influenced back to see that not EVERYTHING needs to be destroyed to make a new world. That's why she rejects Lilith at the Gov Building, only to wind up...possessed or fused with or whatever that was, in order to finish the mission.

Basically, while there was some back and forth between them, one has become a force for making the world better, one has become a force for tearing it all down. There METHODS are slightly different than either expected, but they are not even partially crossing in their designs.
RotsNai Jul 2, 2024 @ 5:35pm 
Originally posted by Star Sage:
Given how it's framed, I think we can take this as an extension on the Law ending of Creation's route. The idea is pretty much that everything has been reset back to zero, with everyone alive again, and their world rendered just a bit happier, as you have the power to grant miracles.

Given it looks like no one is suffering in the class shot, with Iso back to life, as well as the sick girl now looking quite so down and moving very energetically, their problems are solved.

For demons, that's a bit vaguer, but I think that's because the way demons 'live' isn't quite the same as we humans. They don't NEED to eat, for instance. They do, but they don't have to. So simply giving them their own corner of the world to exist in, and making them comfortable would be enough for 99% of them.

Basically, take it as red that you and Tao are trying to make everyone happy, and unlike the due from Persona 5 Royal, you're doing it by actually listening to their wants and prayers, and fulfilling their desires in ways that don't hurt others. As opposed to him who merely altered what people wanted in cases where he couldn't or wouldn't, creating the 'smiles painted on their souls' situation.
I see, that makes sense
I was hoping I missed something or anything that would make it seem like Tsukuyomi is back somewhere and demons are not deleted. Just something to feel a little better considering most endings are bleak and that's expected in SMT but still..
Thank you :AihoSH2:
spectre199 Jul 6, 2024 @ 8:26am 
Just speaking for myself here. I am really enjoying this game, more specifically the canon of vengeance route. Imo Canon of Vengeance route makes the game waay better.

I sided with Yoko and got her ending I really enjoyed her. Plus the ending made it seem like the protagonist and Yoko are together etc. Why because you see Yoko and protagonist holding hands. Walking away into the abyss, plus if you do new game plus and you summon/have panagia Yoko with you. If you talk to her in the haunt one of her many dialogues basically has her tell the player that her and the protagonist are a couple. More specifically panagia Yoko says in new game plus "I want to stay by your side forever, so I came with you to this new world"

On to the whole Yoko and Tao. Yoko is Chaos and Tao is order, or that is how I seen it.
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