Where the ♥♥♥♥ is murakumo.

[Frostea]

It's not in the same spot it was in the original and this niche game has like no reliable guides up.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Originally posted by X:

Well no ♥♥♥♥, that’s not my argument, my argument is try playing that game without a guide, have you tried playing the game without a guide? I’m quite curious. Because I’m for sure ain’t ♥♥♥♥ going to play that game without a guide, try figuring out how to beat Lucifer or doing that Izanami puzzle without a guide or even going through the Mazurka corridor or any dungeon for that matter getting the tools to proceed through the game. Yes, I have been looking around dude, every nook and cranny.

Why are you bringing up a different game for no reason? This discussion is about SMTV.

Originally posted by X:

I am barely looking at a guide when I play this game, it’s only when I’m trying to figure out the objective in the side quest because sometimes the game doesn’t show you the objective, which is really annoying. I still haven’t figured out where the virtual battler is. Shove it dude, some people don’t want to spend hours trying to figure out what to do next. This is not 1990 this is 2024.

Dude they literally tell you that the virtual battler is in the diet building when you unlock it. You're whinging and moaning about how much you need a guide while completely ignoring the explicit directions the game gives you. Side quest objectives are shown with green !s on the map at all times, and you can check your current story objective at any time from the menu(also every time you load a game!). Are you just illiterate? Is that why you need a guide to hold your hand everywhere? Because you can't read the exact directions that the game constantly reminds you about?
Drop the "current year" crap, with how much you brag about being hardened by old famicom games it's amazing that you somehow manage to get lost in a modern game that literally never lets you forget what you're meant to be doing.
Are you sure you should be playing video games at all? You really don't seem cut out for interactive media.

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Originally posted by X:

I still haven’t figured out where the virtual battler is. Shove it dude, some people don’t want to spend hours trying to figure out what to do next. This is not 1990 this is 2024.

I will only give this one to you, as it isn't 100% obvious like most of the other stuff is. Ginza DIET building (so within Da'at), warp to the thing in there, and it's the Scientist farther away from the thing.

Since this will be more helpful than anything else I can say here - you should talk with more NPCs and you will find things a little easier at times. It is also not unheard of for some of the generic "chat box" icon NPCs to have a mission or something, and you only find out by talking with them.

I have been talking to npcs, i've been getting the quests for the virtual battler but i have no idea how to activate the virtual battler, because when i try to talk to the quest giver it doesn't just let me fight the enemies, only one of the quests I have done did that.

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by X:

I have been talking to npcs, i've been getting the quests for the virtual battler but i have no idea how to activate the virtual battler, because when i try to talk to the quest giver it doesn't just let me fight the enemies, only one of the quests I have done did that.

If you got the quests - then you would talk to the guy I mentioned in Da'at/DIET building warp room, and he will give you options :
- Consecutive Battles
These are story/chapter related boss rushes of the area (generally 3 back-to-back); Original mode sets them to the level they where and challenge will set them to lvl100
- Regular Battles
One-on-Ones with the various DLC demons original/challange is the same

The exception to this rule (though - you would only know about it via spoiling if this was true); you need to have completed up until the point where the Director tells you to use it once-in-a-while.

Granted - this is me playing CoC side, but I have essentially done them all as soon as I unlocked them as you get various Balms for completing them.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Originally posted by X:

Well no ♥♥♥♥, that’s not my argument, my argument is try playing that game without a guide, have you tried playing the game without a guide? I’m quite curious. Because I’m for sure ain’t ♥♥♥♥ going to play that game without a guide, try figuring out how to beat Lucifer or doing that Izanami puzzle without a guide or even going through the Mazurka corridor or any dungeon for that matter getting the tools to proceed through the game. Yes, I have been looking around dude, every nook and cranny.

Why are you bringing up a different game for no reason? This discussion is about SMTV.

You haven't answered my question, did you play megami tensei 1 without a guide or just the game in general for that matter? Doesn't matter they are both Megami Tensei games, the series didn't start with Shin Megami Tensei 1 it started with Megami Tensei 1

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Dude they literally tell you that the virtual battler is in the diet building when you unlock it. You're whinging and moaning about how much you need a guide while completely ignoring the explicit directions the game gives you. Side quest objectives are shown with green !s on the map at all times, and you can check your current story objective at any time from the menu(also every time you load a game!). Are you just illiterate? Is that why you need a guide to hold your hand everywhere? Because you can't read the exact directions that the game constantly reminds you about?
Drop the "current year" crap, with how much you brag about being hardened by old famicom games it's amazing that you somehow manage to get lost in a modern game that literally never lets you forget what you're meant to be doing.
Are you sure you should be playing video games at all? You really don't seem cut out for interactive media.

That's not the issue, the issue is i already talked to the NPCS to start the quests, I still need to figure out how to get to the virtual battler. Dude shut up, you are literally twisting my words, I don't need a guide 24/7 I only use one when I'm stuck figuring out about the side quests. Stop Cherry-picking my statements to help your case. I am looking in the menu for the quests, I am looking at the current story objective that's not what I am talking about. The issue is not the main story objectives, the issue is with the side quests because they don't tell you 100% of the time.

Don't GTFO with that last statement, literal elitism at its finest. I don't need a game to tell me every single thing I already know.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Originally posted by X:

I have been talking to npcs, i've been getting the quests for the virtual battler but i have no idea how to activate the virtual battler, because when i try to talk to the quest giver it doesn't just let me fight the enemies, only one of the quests I have done did that.

If you got the quests - then you would talk to the guy I mentioned in Da'at/DIET building warp room, and he will give you options :
- Consecutive Battles
These are story/chapter related boss rushes of the area (generally 3 back-to-back); Original mode sets them to the level they where and challenge will set them to lvl100
- Regular Battles
One-on-Ones with the various DLC demons original/challange is the same

The exception to this rule (though - you would only know about it via spoiling if this was true); you need to have completed up until the point where the Director tells you to use it once-in-a-while.

Granted - this is me playing CoC side, but I have essentially done them all as soon as I unlocked them as you get various Balms for completing them.

I am playing in the Canon of vengence, I am in Taito right now

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Originally posted by X:

You haven't answered my question, did you play megami tensei 1 without a guide or just the game in general for that matter? Doesn't matter they are both Megami Tensei games, the series didn't start with Shin Megami Tensei 1 it started with Megami Tensei 1

Okay at this point you're just trying to brag about gamer cred as if every single SMT player doesn't already know that SMT is a spinoff of MT which is a video game adaptation of a novel series. I don't need to answer your question when it's a stupid whataboutism.
Good to know you're mad about being outed as a simpleton though.

Can’t answer a simple question gotcha.

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by X:

I am playing in the Canon of vengence, I am in Taito right now

IDK - quick google search seems to mention it being available once you deal with Nuwa, so it should be the same on both sides as that is chapter 1 (meaning you would have a battle available already for __/Hydra/Nuwa or whatever the first 3 on that end are.

Unless that is to say you don't get to use it on the CoV side which would be odd (as I had already used it 3 times before getting there on my end).

Edit : Best bet - talk to everyone in the DIET building, maybe he is in a different spot on the CoV side. I know he has a regular chat bubble over his head vs a regular one, and it does get shaded out even if there are other battles (making it look like he has nothing to say).

[thefollowingcharacters]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Originally posted by X:

Honestly it is really annoying with the elitism, "Play without a guide", say that while playing Megami Tensei 1 on the famicom.

This isn't MT1 on the famicom. This is SMTV where the game gives you plenty of directions. I mean the aogami essences are literally marked on the map, is just looking around too much to expect?

Originally posted by Eisen:

Unfortunately not all of us have the free time to search something with no clue.

Why do you people always ruin the game for yourselves? If you "don't have the free time" to find a super optimised build, then... don't? There are literally hundreds of viable strategies in this game. You aren't entitled to all of them for free. Find something that you enjoy with the resources you have.

Let me give you a piece of advice. Stop thinking that other people need to think a certain way. Stop thinking they have to play a certain way. Stop getting mad at people because they are different then you. You are completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Live your life your way, give advice to others, but always treat others as if their choices are theirs, not yours.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Originally posted by X:

I am playing in the Canon of vengence, I am in Taito right now

IDK - quick google search seems to mention it being available once you deal with Nuwa, so it should be the same on both sides as that is chapter 1 (meaning you would have a battle available already for __/Hydra/Nuwa or whatever the first 3 on that end are.

Unless that is to say you don't get to use it on the CoV side which would be odd (as I had already used it 3 times before getting there on my end).

Nah, I did go back to the guy you mentioned and it did activate the virtual battler. Weird because one of the quests I activated he didn’t do that.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by thefollowingcharacters:

Originally posted by Tenacity:

This isn't MT1 on the famicom. This is SMTV where the game gives you plenty of directions. I mean the aogami essences are literally marked on the map, is just looking around too much to expect?

Why do you people always ruin the game for yourselves? If you "don't have the free time" to find a super optimised build, then... don't? There are literally hundreds of viable strategies in this game. You aren't entitled to all of them for free. Find something that you enjoy with the resources you have.

Let me give you a piece of advice. Stop thinking that other people need to think a certain way. Stop thinking they have to play a certain way. Stop getting mad at people because they are different then you. You are completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Live your life your way, give advice to others, but always treat others as if their choices are theirs, not yours.

Don’t worry about him he is just an elitist that thinks he’s better than everyone just because he doesn’t look up a guide, he can’t even answer a simple question.

[Tenacity]

Okay, let me stop you right there - guide culture is INCREDIBLY elitist behaviour and the sooner we kill it the sooner gaming can improve.
I'm saying that people should be able to just PLAY THE GAME instead of spending 2x their playtime watching and reading guides before they're even allowed to launch the game, by reinforcing guide culture you're reinforcing nonsensical gatekeeping, that's the very definition of elitism. Calling someone an elitist for not using a guide is just the most clown world BS i've read this month.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

okay let me stop you right there
guide culture is INCREDIBLY elitist behaviour
the sooner we kill it the sooner gaming can improve
you saying that not using a guide makes someone elitist is just the most clown world BS i've read this month

Very ironic considering the fact that you can’t even answer a simple question, but keep going.

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by thefollowingcharacters:

Let me give you a piece of advice. Stop thinking that other people need to think a certain way. Stop thinking they have to play a certain way. Stop getting mad at people because they are different then you. You are completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Live your life your way, give advice to others, but always treat others as if their choices are theirs, not yours.

Just to meme out a little - last time I didn't care about how other people play/enjoy games, one of my favorite IPs (Unreal Tournament) got scrapped so they could go on to develop Fortnite.

Granted - I am happy I didn't need to see an Unreal Tournament with Aang, Lego Luke Skywalker, Peter Griffin, and Freddy Krueger, but there are different types of players who need to share space whether they want to or not.

Bethesda would be a classic example of getting simpler with each new game to appease the most folks. Sure I can turn-off the quest markers + bow retical and turn the difficulty up to artificially inflate the enemies, but that doesn't give me those now missing armor slots back (removed to make builds/stats easier to manage I imagine).

I am for these things being added if I can revert them, or they are parallel IPs; but some folks have slowly been losing things like "hard-core games" because they want to appease to the players we are being told not to worry about.

It's honestly trying to tell someone who enjoys "Eye-Spy" to play "Nancy Drew" / "Clocktower" / "Harvester" point-and-click puzzle games, because it's literally the same game, but there's a story and dialogue options and stuff now (stuff they possibly didn't want).

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

the only ironic thing here is your attitude, being the most elitist POS I've ever seen in megaten discussions while calling someone advocating for anti-gatekeeping an elitist.

Where am I gatekeeping? I’m just asking you a question if you play Megaten 1 without a guide but then you go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about me being elitist and flexing gamer creed when I’m just asking a question, this is going nowhere just move on and admit that you haven’t played the game at all, at this point you are just making a fool out of yourself.

[SkaaTerminator]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Like I said earlier it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meaningless question, why are you bringing it up, who cares if I've played it or not, that's not relevant to the conversation. The only way in which it could be even tangentially relevant is from an elitist argument as described above. So I'm not going to answer it, at least not directly, because your squirming amuses me.

Thanks for admitting it. Why bring it up? because you are the one who started an argument with me. You haven’t played the game, which means any thing you said is now invalidated, now move along and keep on believing I’m tilted by you.