Any clue why this game has outbound network traffic?

[Yew Nough]

Portmaster has 5x instances of this:

Started: Jun 22,2024,3:25:38 AM
Ended: Jun 22, 2024 3:26:39 AM
Duration: 1m 1s
Direction: Outgoing
Protocol: TCP
Encrypted: yes
SPN Protected: no
Domain: garry.sgaas.net
Remote Peer: 34.249.177.66 :443
Country: IE
ASN: 16509
AS Org: Amazon.com, Inc.

[Marcelo Sampaio]

Originally posted by Yew Nough:

Portmaster has 5x instances of this:

Started: Jun 22,2024,3:25:38 AM
Ended: Jun 22, 2024 3:26:39 AM
Duration: 1m 1s
Direction: Outgoing
Protocol: TCP
Encrypted: yes
SPN Protected: no
Domain: garry.sgaas.net
Remote Peer: 34.249.177.66 :443
Country: IE
ASN: 16509
AS Org: Amazon.com, Inc.

Probably sending out information about Denuvo.

Denuvo does online checks sometimes to check if you are running an original version.

[barakehforever]

Originally posted by Yew Nough:

Domain: garry.sgaas.net
Country: IE

Why is Ireland interested in my demon fusion mad skills?

[lukaself]

Originally posted by barakehforever:

Originally posted by Yew Nough:

Domain: garry.sgaas.net
Country: IE

Why is Ireland interested in my demon fusion mad skills?

There are three servers for the activation of any product with Denuvo named Codefusion 1, 2 and 3. They are required for the games using Denuvo to start and they are all hosted in Ireland in the same Amazon server farm. ->eu-west-1.elb.amazonaws. com

This server goes down, and all the games using Denuvo suddenly become digital paperweights. How could SEGA hand so much control over their products to a reportedly unreliable third party? Beats me.

PSA: Denuvo is down, P5R is unplayable
A great day for DRM as Denuvo lapse renders tons of games temporarily unplayable

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by barakehforever:

Why is Ireland interested in my demon fusion mad skills?

There are three servers for the activation of any product with Denuvo named Codefusion 1, 2 and 3. They are required for the games using Denuvo to start and they are all hosted in Ireland in the same Amazon server farm. ->eu-west-1.elb.amazonaws.com

This server goes down, and all the games using Denuvo suddenly become digital paperweights. How could SEGA hand so much control over their products to a reportedly unreliable third party? Beats me.

PSA: Denuvo is down, P5R is unplayable
A great day for DRM as Denuvo lapse renders tons of games temporarily unplayable

you can still launch the game if you put steam in Offline mode and disable net connection for a bit. steam can be like that for 3 months, so denuvo has no real issue. if something happens and it becomes unplayable then obviously it'd be patched to remove denuvo in a timely manner if it was a permanent issue.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

you can still launch the game if you put steam in Offline mode and disable net connection for a bit. steam can be like that for 3 months, so denuvo has no real issue. if something happens and it becomes unplayable then obviously it'd be patched to remove denuvo in a timely manner if it was a permanent issue.

Sorry, but your understanding of the facts seems a bit off.

Steam offline mode is designed to last indefinitely[www.pcgamesn.com]

Denuvo Anti-Tamper[www.pcgamingwiki.com], on the other hand, enforces time limits. It uses a system of offline token you get from one of the three codefusion servers I mentioned in my previous post. The duration is two weeks by default but can be set to any length by the publisher.

Finally, I wish I could share your confidence: Regarding Denuvo's removal, history isn't favorable. SEGA hasn't removed Denuvo from any game in the past six years, despite significant issues such as server downtimes or hardware incompatibility. This pattern includes not removing SecuROM, Denuvo's precursor, from any PC game. Why would they behave any different now?

They're following the example set by other AAA corporations, implementing software based planned-obsolescence. EA, Ubisoft and SEGA are all using the exact same anti-consumer DRM strategies. Ubisoft going one step further claiming publicly they'll never remove it and would rather remove the games you paid for from your library.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by mimizukari:

you can still launch the game if you put steam in Offline mode and disable net connection for a bit. steam can be like that for 3 months, so denuvo has no real issue. if something happens and it becomes unplayable then obviously it'd be patched to remove denuvo in a timely manner if it was a permanent issue.

Sorry, but your understanding of the facts seems a bit off.

Steam offline mode is designed to last indefinitely[www.pcgamesn.com]

It's Denuvo Anti-Tamper which[www.pcgamingwiki.com] enforces time limits. It uses a system of offline token you get from one of the three codefusion servers I mentioned in my previous post. The duration is two weeks by default but can be set to any length by the publisher.

Finally, I wish I could share your confidence but history isn't on their side there: SEGA hasn't removed Denuvo from any game in the past six years for any reason, not even most customers being unable to play their game due to the Denuvo servers being down or incompatible with new hardware, not even when they released the unprotected version to pirates themselves not once but TWICE.[www.dsogaming.com] Finally, they never removed SecuROM, Denuvo's precursor, from any of the games they ever released on PC either. Why would they behave any different now?

They're following the example set by other AAA corporations, implementing software based planned-obsolescence. EA, Ubisoft and SEGA are all using the exact same anti-consumer DRM strategies. Ubisoft going one step further claiming publicly they'll never remove it and would rather remove the games you paid for from your library.

what i'm saying is, turn off your ethernet/wifi/etc, launch the game, and it'll be fine even when denuvo goes down, at least for a while. it's also literally stated in the reddit posts you shared. that method has always worked.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

what i'm saying is, turn off your ethernet/wifi/etc, launch the game, and it'll be fine even when denuvo goes down, at least for a while. it's also literally stated in the reddit posts you shared. that method has always worked.

Yes, I said as much. But I demonstrated with evidence that this method hasn't actually always worked as you believe.

What happens once those servers are gone, your game's offline token has expired and what the publisher will do about it is where you should focus your skepticism.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by mimizukari:

what i'm saying is, turn off your ethernet/wifi/etc, launch the game, and it'll be fine even when denuvo goes down, at least for a while. it's also literally stated in the reddit posts you shared. that method has always worked.

Yes, I said as much. But I demonstrated with evidence that this method hasn't actually always worked as you believe.

What happens once those servers are gone, your game's offline token has expired and what the publisher will do about it is where you should focus your skepticism.

You only purchased a license of the game to begin with, you don't own it. IF that happens down the road, then so be it. But game developers are usually good about patching it out if it makes the game unplayable so long as the company is still around.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by Yew Nough:

Portmaster has 5x instances of this:

Started: Jun 22,2024,3:25:38 AM
Ended: Jun 22, 2024 3:26:39 AM
Duration: 1m 1s
Direction: Outgoing
Protocol: TCP
Encrypted: yes
SPN Protected: no
Domain: garry.sgaas.net
Remote Peer: 34.249.177.66 :443
Country: IE
ASN: 16509
AS Org: Amazon.com, Inc.

Denuvo.

Learned this the hard way when I had bad internet the other day: The game suddenly needed AGES to load. This is honestly really stupid.

[nephalim]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Yes, I said as much. But I demonstrated with evidence that this method hasn't actually always worked as you believe.

What happens once those servers are gone, your game's offline token has expired and what the publisher will do about it is where you should focus your skepticism.

You only purchased a license of the game to begin with, you don't own it. IF that happens down the road, then so be it. But game developers are usually good about patching it out if it makes the game unplayable so long as the company is still around.

Sega is a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company that has not removed Denuvo from a single game and has made it clear in the EULA you are renting the game.

If any company tries to revoke people's licenses to play the games they purchased or does not remove Denuvo if it goes down, well its a good thing there is a Switch version lets just say that.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Yes, I said as much. But I demonstrated with evidence that this method hasn't actually always worked as you believe.

What happens once those servers are gone, your game's offline token has expired and what the publisher will do about it is where you should focus your skepticism.

You only purchased a license of the game to begin with, you don't own it. IF that happens down the road, then so be it. But game developers are usually good about patching it out if it makes the game unplayable so long as the company is still around.

Again, they're not. Among the 359 games with Denuvo, only 114 removed it in eleven years. SEGA is third-to-last for removals and holds the second place for the highest number of games using Denuvo. Even EA removes it more consistently than SEGA and that's saying something.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_games_using_Denuvo_Anti-Tamper

I really don't see how you can keep defending that company when everything is pointing to the company preparing to screw you over once again. I'm genuinely sorry to bring your heroes down.

Originally posted by Swimfan:

Denuvo.

Learned this the hard way when I had bad internet the other day: The game suddenly needed AGES to load. This is honestly really stupid.

Try a game from EA, they have so many DRM layers it takes several minutes for the game to even start and I'm using fiber optics.

[El_Sama]

Denuvo is a cancer that is killing this industry. A single player offline game unavailable beaucse of Denuvo BS is completely unacceptable, if this was not an Atlus Game I totally would boycott it.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by El_Sama:

Denuvo is a cancer that is killing this industry. A single player offline game unavailable beaucse of Denuvo BS is completely unacceptable, if this was not an Atlus Game I totally would boycott it.

you literally agreed to the TOS when you bought the game that you have no right to ownership, as a non-owner, what happens in the future isn't really a concern.


NO RIGHT TO OWNERSHIP

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PRODUCT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL SUCH RIGHTS ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF SEGA. Except as expressly licensed to you herein, all right, title, and interest in and to the Product and any and all associated copyrights, trademarks and intellectual properties therein and/or related thereto and all copies thereof (including, but not limited to, any patches, updates, copies, derivative works, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogs, catchphrases, locations, concepts, artwork, images, animation, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, text, methods of operation, moral rights, “applets” incorporated into the Product and any related documentation) are owned by SEGA or SEGA's licensors.

The Product is protected by United States copyright laws, international copyright treaties and conventions, and other laws. All rights are reserved. The Product contains certain licensed materials, and SEGA and SEGA's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.

The limited license granted to you under this Agreement does not give you any title or ownership in the Product and should not be construed as a sale or transfer of any intellectual property rights in or relating to the Product.

[El_Sama]

Originally posted by mimizukari:

Originally posted by El_Sama:

Denuvo is a cancer that is killing this industry. A single player offline game unavailable beaucse of Denuvo BS is completely unacceptable, if this was not an Atlus Game I totally would boycott it.

you literally agreed to the TOS when you bought the game that you have no right to ownership, as a non-owner, what happens in the future isn't really a concern.


NO RIGHT TO OWNERSHIP

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PRODUCT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL SUCH RIGHTS ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF SEGA. Except as expressly licensed to you herein, all right, title, and interest in and to the Product and any and all associated copyrights, trademarks and intellectual properties therein and/or related thereto and all copies thereof (including, but not limited to, any patches, updates, copies, derivative works, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogs, catchphrases, locations, concepts, artwork, images, animation, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, text, methods of operation, moral rights, “applets” incorporated into the Product and any related documentation) are owned by SEGA or SEGA's licensors.

The Product is protected by United States copyright laws, international copyright treaties and conventions, and other laws. All rights are reserved. The Product contains certain licensed materials, and SEGA and SEGA's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.

The limited license granted to you under this Agreement does not give you any title or ownership in the Product and should not be construed as a sale or transfer of any intellectual property rights in or relating to the Product.

Are you a paid Denuvo SHill? I noticed you seemingly have no life, do you even see the sky?

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by El_Sama:

Originally posted by mimizukari:

you literally agreed to the TOS when you bought the game that you have no right to ownership, as a non-owner, what happens in the future isn't really a concern.


NO RIGHT TO OWNERSHIP

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PRODUCT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL SUCH RIGHTS ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF SEGA. Except as expressly licensed to you herein, all right, title, and interest in and to the Product and any and all associated copyrights, trademarks and intellectual properties therein and/or related thereto and all copies thereof (including, but not limited to, any patches, updates, copies, derivative works, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogs, catchphrases, locations, concepts, artwork, images, animation, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, text, methods of operation, moral rights, “applets” incorporated into the Product and any related documentation) are owned by SEGA or SEGA's licensors.

The Product is protected by United States copyright laws, international copyright treaties and conventions, and other laws. All rights are reserved. The Product contains certain licensed materials, and SEGA and SEGA's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.

The limited license granted to you under this Agreement does not give you any title or ownership in the Product and should not be construed as a sale or transfer of any intellectual property rights in or relating to the Product.

Are you a paid Denuvo SHill? I noticed you seemingly have no life, do you even see the sky?

I am NEUTRAL - LAW, i will defend anything in the law to the best of my ability, regardless of whether or not outsiders see it as just or not.