Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

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How to avoid instant death moments?
Just spent ten minutes on a fight only for an elligor boss to instant kill my total 140 hp. Is it actually worth suffering through hard for these moments or am i better off switching to normal so i don't punch a wall and get instakilled lmao.

Better yet why the ♥♥♥♥ can we not just switch between hard and normal for situations like this.
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Part-Time Prick Jun 19, 2024 @ 8:51am 
Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:
Just spent ten minutes on a fight only for an elligor boss to instant kill my total 140 hp. Is it actually worth suffering through hard for these moments or am i better off switching to normal so i don't punch a wall and get instakilled lmao.

Better yet why the ♥♥♥♥ can we not just switch between hard and normal for situations like this.
With the starting 30HP/MP passive I find it hard to believe you could die, really. Still, Fang Breaker is effective at lowering their attack right now for a low MP cost, which helps. He's also weak to Zio. Failing that there's possibly Life Spring available right now?
Koby Jun 19, 2024 @ 8:59am 
Instant death is a 40% chance if it hits a weakness. So ways to avoid it is to fuse an affinity that doesn't have dark weakness, guard just before they use the move, or use dark dampeners.
JCKLNTRN Jun 19, 2024 @ 9:02am 
Weakness to light or dark on your MC is the worst weakness you can have other than physical, change your resistances for something better with an Essence.

Rooted Soul (HP/MP boost) is also a great passive for early game.
Originally posted by Part-Time Prick:
Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:
Just spent ten minutes on a fight only for an elligor boss to instant kill my total 140 hp. Is it actually worth suffering through hard for these moments or am i better off switching to normal so i don't punch a wall and get instakilled lmao.

Better yet why the ♥♥♥♥ can we not just switch between hard and normal for situations like this.
With the starting 30HP/MP passive I find it hard to believe you could die, really. Still, Fang Breaker is effective at lowering their attack right now for a low MP cost, which helps. He's also weak to Zio. Failing that there's possibly Life Spring available right now?
Well I mean I did? He did over 120 damage and insta killed me lol.
I'll give those other options a try though. Honestly my main issue is too many demons and not enough of knowing who or what to use. And i don't wanna just le google meta demons.

Originally posted by Pena:
You want to switch it off hard when it gets hard? If an Elligor is making you rage, I would just say hard isnt for you, since you didnt ask for actual advice on how not to get insta killed I assume you will struggle alot later or should put time into developing strats instead of raging on a forum
Where rage?

Originally posted by Koby:
Instant death is a 40% chance if it hits a weakness. So ways to avoid it is to fuse an affinity that doesn't have dark weakness, guard just before they use the move, or use dark dampeners.
This is true though it was one of those high crit chance melees skills. Even if i did live the others were on 5% hp lmao
Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:
Weakness to light or dark on your MC is the worst weakness you can have other than physical, change your resistances for something better with an Essence.

Rooted Soul (HP/MP boost) is also a great passive for early game.
Yeah I've been looking for some good ones but it's hard to tell what i should use when there's so many enemies and skills
Part-Time Prick Jun 19, 2024 @ 9:36am 
Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:
Originally posted by JCKLNTRN:
Weakness to light or dark on your MC is the worst weakness you can have other than physical, change your resistances for something better with an Essence.

Rooted Soul (HP/MP boost) is also a great passive for early game.
Yeah I've been looking for some good ones but it's hard to tell what i should use when there's so many enemies and skills

Generally adjust based on the fight if your affinities are getting you killed. Easiest thing to do is to cover up whatever they can hurt you with. It deprives them of turns if you null or better anyway, which means even more free actions to beat them.
AngryChair Jun 19, 2024 @ 9:50am 
Well, it IS the hardest difficulty. It's normal to die to bosses a few times if you're not properly prepared. Use the spyglasses to learn the weaknesses of the enemies and exploit them.

Eligor and Andras are weak against electricity, MC already starts with Zio and you should bring at least one other demon with lightning skills and that alone would make the fight quite easier. I find it odd that he one-shot you with 140 HP,. You can still have pretty bad RNG and get clapped, but I don't think "hard" is unfair, it just requires better planning.

Also, if you want to switch difficulties every time you are having a hard time then what's the point?
Last edited by AngryChair; Jun 19, 2024 @ 9:51am
Johnathon Fortnite Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by Part-Time Prick:
Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:
Yeah I've been looking for some good ones but it's hard to tell what i should use when there's so many enemies and skills

Generally adjust based on the fight if your affinities are getting you killed. Easiest thing to do is to cover up whatever they can hurt you with. It deprives them of turns if you null or better anyway, which means even more free actions to beat them.
Yeah i just wish there was an easier way for me to figure it out lol. Really puts into perspective how piss easy persona is lmao



Originally posted by AngryChair:
Well, it IS the hardest difficulty. It's normal to die to bosses a few times if you're not properly prepared. Use the spyglasses to learn the weaknesses of the enemies and exploit them.

Eligor and Andras are weak against electricity, MC already starts with Zio and you should bring at least one other demon with lightning skills and that alone would make the fight quite easier. I find it odd that he one-shot you with 140 HP,. You can still have pretty bad RNG and get clapped, but I don't think "hard" is unfair, it just requires better planning.

Also, if you want to switch difficulties every time you are having a hard time then what's the point?
My issue is that my damage made the fight take so long, doing all that just to be instakilled lmao. Doesn't help i put more into strength than magic
Part-Time Prick Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:14am 
I have pure dumped magic my whole thing. :P
Its fine, just do what you need to.

As for knowing, a spyglass is useful every time, you know where to strike and what you might want to use dampeners on. But if you get hard stuck then changing resistances will do the job.

To that end I got stuck briefly on a superboss until I went nuts on my resistances. I'm used to older SMTs where they'll flip out and just start spamming almighty moves if you resist a ton of what they'll do.
Last edited by Part-Time Prick; Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:15am
Johnathon Fortnite Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:16am 
Originally posted by Part-Time Prick:
I have pure dumped magic my whole thing. :P
Its fine, just do what you need to.

As for knowing, a spyglass is useful every time, you know where to strike and what you might want to use dampeners on. But if you get hard stuck then changing resistances will do the job.
Is there a better way of acquiring essences? That's another part of my problem atm. No good ones. The ones that look good also have me weak to dark/light which is an obvious no.
SadPlatty© Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:18am 
It's bound to happen if you don't prepare or use all the things available to you. I for example cannot be bothered to use "Spyglass" outside of the Mitama's, so I work through each enemy manually - but I have fun this way as getting one-shot is like the only time I die.

e.g. Decided to stomp out some region bosses yesterday; Qing Long was almost entirely a cake walk. My team was Anahita (light/ice attacks), Mermaid (Ice/Drain/debuff/heal), and Hell Biker (his skills as one debuffs and added the poison skill that debuffs defense also). Could easily walk through the fight until 2 times in a row, it got lucky and crit-locked me to death.

Sometimes though - it's just my first fight is the "test" (see what's up, and what sticks damage type wise) and what their Magatsuhi skill element is for the nullifier items. Once you know the elements, you should honestly be able to take out things even 10 levels above you relatively easy (though some are just your hard counter - right now it's Baihu for me, but I canned just about all the other region bosses so far - including the rock dude).

Edit : And my Nahabino stats right now are like (just got to Oberon and getting the apples) :
- around 28 str
- 30 vit
- 50 mag
- 50 evasion
- 44 luck
Last edited by SadPlatty©; Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:22am
AngryChair Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by Johnathon Fortnite:
Originally posted by Part-Time Prick:

Generally adjust based on the fight if your affinities are getting you killed. Easiest thing to do is to cover up whatever they can hurt you with. It deprives them of turns if you null or better anyway, which means even more free actions to beat them.
Yeah i just wish there was an easier way for me to figure it out lol. Really puts into perspective how piss easy persona is lmao



Originally posted by AngryChair:
Well, it IS the hardest difficulty. It's normal to die to bosses a few times if you're not properly prepared. Use the spyglasses to learn the weaknesses of the enemies and exploit them.

Eligor and Andras are weak against electricity, MC already starts with Zio and you should bring at least one other demon with lightning skills and that alone would make the fight quite easier. I find it odd that he one-shot you with 140 HP,. You can still have pretty bad RNG and get clapped, but I don't think "hard" is unfair, it just requires better planning.

Also, if you want to switch difficulties every time you are having a hard time then what's the point?
My issue is that my damage made the fight take so long, doing all that just to be instakilled lmao. Doesn't help i put more into strength than magic
Yeah, you might have to grind a bit or bring a full party of demons with electric skills, use Omagatoki: Critical and try to wipe out the Andras first. Also consider switching affinities to resist Wind/Null Wind or the next boss will wipe the floor with your ass.

As for essences, you'll find a lot of them on the field, some are sold by Gustave (or given as rewards for mimans) and occasionally you can get them from your demons by leveling or rarely as drops from fights.
Last edited by AngryChair; Jun 19, 2024 @ 10:39am
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