End Game Party Recommendations for SMT V: Vengeance?

[K9ofChaos]

This question goes out to all the peeps who played Vanilla V on the Switch a while back. What are some end game demons you would recommend that I fuse by the end of each route? Granted, I'm aware that the meta could change drastically due to the Vengeance Route being a factor. I'm just trying to figure out which demons I should pick for my Full Demon Stock of 24 Demons. (Though I have heard that the demon stock might expand past 24, is this true?) How many roles are there that I should fill out? This GameFAQs thread says there's 12: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/204211-shin-megami-tensei-v/79755324

So which are the best demons for each of these following demons at least in Vanilla V?:
healer
buffer
debuffer
fire user
ice user
force user
electric user
dark user
light user
allmighty user
physical user
ailments user

Feel free to speculate and brainstorm ideas for OP builds.

[mimizukari]

Idun. Her magic stat is so high and scales so well, even though her golden apples is eventually replaced by Tao you can keep teaching her endgame skills. But also here's the real answer:
Nobody knows yet.

SMT V Vengeance will give an innate passive/ability to EVERY SINGLE demon in the game, instead of the handful that had it earlier. Remember Mermaid's special ability that was op early game? Every single demon is getting either an active like that or a passive ability which means we have to wait for the game to be out in order to decide this.

[K9ofChaos]

Postat inițial de mimizukari:

Idun. Her magic stat is so high and scales so well, even though her golden apples is eventually replaced by Tao you can keep teaching her endgame skills.

I'm definitely planning on getting Idun through my first playthrough(s) once given the chance. I already like her both design-wise and IRL myth lore-wise. There's so many demons I like to choose from that I'm having trouble just deciding on 24.

Postat inițial de mimizukari:

But also here's the real answer:
Nobody knows yet.

Fair enough. I expected getting this kind of answer eventually. But at least this thread will be here once the release date comes and more people have had enough time to experiment with VV's take on fusion mechanics. Hopefully this thread would inspire others to make build guides on Steam like this: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJxN5QVxCwGrevn9xKL_FJhZ2XBTnqLVG

Postat inițial de mimizukari:

SMT V Vengeance will give an innate passive/ability to EVERY SINGLE demon in the game, instead of the handful that had it earlier. Remember Mermaid's special ability that was op early game? Every single demon is getting either an active like that or a passive ability which means we have to wait for the game to be out in order to decide this.

So would the signature moves of each demon go in it's own unique slot as opposed to the previous way of said signature move being something you'd get by leveling up like usual? I ask because I wouldn't want to accidentally replace Idun's Golden Apple skill with a less powerful one, for example. Some of the skills my demons got in my current playthrough of Nocturne are a bit all over the place. So having a gameplan for each demon build I go for would be ideal.

[Argonisgema]

Postat inițial de mimizukari:

Remember Mermaid's special ability that was op early game?

That mermaid has made it into my top fave demons up there with garm of her appearance in V

[Dogi ( ﾟ ヮﾟ)]

Cleopatra because my pp

[K9ofChaos]

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Postat inițial de mimizukari:

Remember Mermaid's special ability that was op early game?

That mermaid has made it into my top fave demons up there with garm of her appearance in V

Postat inițial de Dogi ( ﾟ ヮﾟ):

Cleopatra because my pp

The appearance of demons is also a factor I take into account when I decide which demons to recruit/fuse. Not only sexiness but coolness as well.

[OrionEJ]

I always create my endgame demons with at least 2 roles. Typically a damage type and high pleroma, but that leaves some extra space. I take either luster candy, or debilitate, maybe both. If a demon can heal, it can buff and debuff. You can heal, buff, debuff, and deal damage depending on the demon. Many of my demons could use an element with a pleroma or 2, buff or debuff.

My Idun and Demeter could deal wind with high pleroma, unique heal, luster candy, debilitate. But Amon just fire damage, buff, debuff.
All my demons at the end had room for repel/drain phys too.
My alilat used both donnum skills, luster candy, debilitate, megidoloan, high almighy, and repel phys.

Knowing when you should min max is key, some demons are best staying in their lane, but most can have 2 or more roles. When you have a whole roster of demons who deal high damage and can buff, debuff or both, most demon can take part in a battle . Oh you need a buffer and debuffer, well thankfully your ishtar does elec damage, buff, and debuff. Make sure you have 2 dekaja and 2 dekunda scattered somewhere in your demons.

Since the formula is to get press turns then buff, you order your party to do just that, then if your buffer or whoever dies, you have many demons with dual roles who can fit in 2 slots.

[Zorrunia]

Fionn mac Cumhaill all the way xd and odin if u go for creation dunno bout vengeance if you will be able to recruit those 2

[HezaK]

Idun, without a doubt, 100% neccessary, make sure to level her up because she will be important to hang onto depending on what ending you go for.

[K9ofChaos]

Postat inițial de OrionEJ:

I always create my endgame demons with at least 2 roles. Typically a damage type and high pleroma, but that leaves some extra space. I take either luster candy, or debilitate, maybe both. If a demon can heal, it can buff and debuff. You can heal, buff, debuff, and deal damage depending on the demon. Many of my demons could use an element with a pleroma or 2, buff or debuff.

My Idun and Demeter could deal wind with high pleroma, unique heal, luster candy, debilitate. But Amon just fire damage, buff, debuff.
All my demons at the end had room for repel/drain phys too.
My alilat used both donnum skills, luster candy, debilitate, megidoloan, high almighy, and repel phys.

Knowing when you should min max is key, some demons are best staying in their lane, but most can have 2 or more roles. When you have a whole roster of demons who deal high damage and can buff, debuff or both, most demon can take part in a battle . Oh you need a buffer and debuffer, well thankfully your ishtar does elec damage, buff, and debuff. Make sure you have 2 dekaja and 2 dekunda scattered somewhere in your demons.

Since the formula is to get press turns then buff, you order your party to do just that, then if your buffer or whoever dies, you have many demons with dual roles who can fit in 2 slots.

This sounds a bit complicated, but thanks for your advice. Which demons did you have in your full demon stock of 24 (I assume Idun, Demeter, Amon, Alilat, and Ishtar are five of them) and what where the skills they each had?

Postat inițial de Zorrunia:

Fionn mac Cumhaill all the way xd and odin if u go for creation dunno bout vengeance if you will be able to recruit those 2

Fionn mac Cumhaill is definitely one of my top picks for demons to recruit/fuse once I get to him. What skill build would you recommend for him?

Postat inițial de HezaK:

Idun, without a doubt, 100% neccessary, make sure to level her up because she will be important to hang onto depending on what ending you go for.

She's one of my top picks as well. I've heard speculation that Konohana Sakuya might be a better healer than Idun, but we won't know that for sure until the game comes out. Plus it probably wouldn't hurt to get an extra specialized healer or two. I pre-ordered the deluxe edition to get the Dagda and Konohana Sakuya DLC so I plan on utilizing those demons as well if/when I get the chance.

As for the demons I want, here's a list of them that'll exceed 24 for now:

Abrahamic Angels:
Maria
Mastema (If Possible)
Abdiel
Gabriel
Metatron
Michael
Raphael
Sandalphon
Uriel

Abrahamic Demons:
Lilith (If Possible)
Adramelech
Agrat bat Mahlat (If Possible)
Amon
Baphomet
Beelzebub
Eisheth Zenunim (If Possible)
Mephisto
Naamah (If Possible)
Ose

African:
Anansi
Nyami Nyami
Onyakopon

Arabian:
Alilat

Canaanite:
Baal
Moloch
Mot

Celtic:
Dagda
Danu
Cu Chulainn
Fionn mac Cumhaill
Scathach

Chinese:
Nezha
Nuwa

Egyptian:
Cleopatra
Isis
Khonsu

Greek:
Artemis
Demeter
Dionysus
Zeus

Hindu:
Ganesha
Lakshmi
Parvati
Sarasvati
Shiva
Vishnu

Japanese:
Amanozako
Ame-no-Uzume
Kikuri-Hime
Konohana Sakuya
Kushinada-Hime
Sukuna-Hikona

Mesopotamian:
Inanna/Ishtar
Pazuzu

Norse:
Fenrir
Idun
Loki
Odin
Siegfried
Surt
Thor

Slavic:
Chernobog

Zoroastrian:
Anahita
Armaiti
Mithra/Mithras
Sraosha

Other:
Oberon
Titania

[OrionEJ]

Young Man: Deadly fury, akashic arts, high phys, phys pleroma, crit zealot, debilitate, luster, impaler
Demeter: elusian harvest, mazanbarion, killing wind, luster candy, high force, repel phys, debilitate, null fire.
Idun: golden apple, mazanbarion, killing wind, debilitate, high force, force pleroma, repel elec, repel phys
Zeus: keraunos, elec pleroma, high elec, null force, crit aura, crit zealot, repel phys, luster candy
Odin: gungnir, high phys, crit zealot, repel phys debilitate, high elec, maziobarion, phs pleroma
Baal: Maragibarion, Mazanbarion, maziobarion, repel phys, enduring soul, high fire, high elec, high force
Trumpeter maragibarion, mabufubarion, maziobarion, mazanbarion, enduring soul, drain phys, safeguard, high ice
Alice: drain phys, null light, high dark, dark pleroma, dekaja, abyssal mask, mamudobarion, debilitate
Ishtar: maziobarion, narukami, null dark, high elec, debilitate, luster, elec pleroma, repel phys
Danu Matriachs love, megidolaon, high almighty, almighty pleroma, luster, high ice, drain phys, glacial blast
Innana: raging hellfire, raging bliz, raging light, raging temp, repel phys, impaler's animus, high ice, high force
alilat: donum gladi, donum magici, luster, debilitate, boon boost ex, repel phys, mediarahan, energy drain.
Cleopatra: frolic, hamabarion, luster, mabufubarion, high ice, ice age, repel dark, repel phys
Beelzebub: Death flies, drain force, repel phys, dark pleroma, high dark, debilitate, impaler, enduring soul
Amon: megido flame, high fire, fire pleroma, debilitate, luster, boon boost ex, great mana spring, drain phys
Lachesis: same as alilat basically
Huang long: basically the same
Shiva: high phys, crit zealot, repel phys, impaler, akashic arts, luster, tandava, high almighty
Fionn: mac an luin, high phys, magibarion, high fire, mabufubarion, high ice, repel phys, impaler
Dark abdiel looks similar to alice
Nuwa looks similar to demeter

I left some out because this was the party of a team before demi fiend on cycle 26 hard.
the roles are basically damage AND buff or debuf. aoe magic for demi fiend's alies. The pierce attacks are for when i need them to deal more damage to demi specifically. Innana is a flexible magic impaled nuke since her skills are high power. Baal uses multiple elements because i use him for several phases of demi fiend. Physical users just deal damage to 1 target, buff or debuff. I hope these teams are enough for you to understand why i say demons can be flexible, but within reason. Odin uses critical aura rocks lmao. I dont use abyssal mask much for demi because i like rolling chaotic will.

When someone dies, i have so many demons that can fill in for many roles, innana can do any basic element, baal can do 3, trumpter 4, 2 dark demons, 2 force, 2 lightning, many fires, many phys, some healers, some special moves sprinkled in. Light is the only one i didn't cover, but i have some demons with light moves and debilitate and luster, like maria or sraosha, but i never have them in my party, i just built them for fun, and the sake of having light if i needed it (I didn't.)

[K9ofChaos]

Postat inițial de OrionEJ:

Young Man: Deadly fury, akashic arts, high phys, phys pleroma, crit zealot, debilitate, luster, impaler
Demeter: elusian harvest, mazanbarion, killing wind, luster candy, high force, repel phys, debilitate, null fire.
Idun: golden apple, mazanbarion, killing wind, debilitate, high force, force pleroma, repel elec, repel phys
Zeus: keraunos, elec pleroma, high elec, null force, crit aura, crit zealot, repel phys, luster candy
Odin: gungnir, high phys, crit zealot, repel phys debilitate, high elec, maziobarion, phs pleroma
Baal: Maragibarion, Mazanbarion, maziobarion, repel phys, enduring soul, high fire, high elec, high force
Trumpeter maragibarion, mabufubarion, maziobarion, mazanbarion, enduring soul, drain phys, safeguard, high ice
Alice: drain phys, null light, high dark, dark pleroma, dekaja, abyssal mask, mamudobarion, debilitate
Ishtar: maziobarion, narukami, null dark, high elec, debilitate, luster, elec pleroma, repel phys
Danu Matriachs love, megidolaon, high almighty, almighty pleroma, luster, high ice, drain phys, glacial blast
Innana: raging hellfire, raging bliz, raging light, raging temp, repel phys, impaler's animus, high ice, high force
alilat: donum gladi, donum magici, luster, debilitate, boon boost ex, repel phys, mediarahan, energy drain.
Cleopatra: frolic, hamabarion, luster, mabufubarion, high ice, ice age, repel dark, repel phys
Beelzebub: Death flies, drain force, repel phys, dark pleroma, high dark, debilitate, impaler, enduring soul
Amon: megido flame, high fire, fire pleroma, debilitate, luster, boon boost ex, great mana spring, drain phys
Lachesis: same as alilat basically
Huang long: basically the same
Shiva: high phys, crit zealot, repel phys, impaler, akashic arts, luster, tandava, high almighty
Fionn: mac an luin, high phys, magibarion, high fire, mabufubarion, high ice, repel phys, impaler
Dark abdiel looks similar to alice
Nuwa looks similar to demeter

I left some out because this was the party of a team before demi fiend on cycle 26 hard.
the roles are basically damage AND buff or debuf. aoe magic for demi fiend's alies. The pierce attacks are for when i need them to deal more damage to demi specifically. Innana is a flexible magic impaled nuke since her skills are high power. Baal uses multiple elements because i use him for several phases of demi fiend. Physical users just deal damage to 1 target, buff or debuff. I hope these teams are enough for you to understand why i say demons can be flexible, but within reason. Odin uses critical aura rocks lmao. I dont use abyssal mask much for demi because i like rolling chaotic will.

When someone dies, i have so many demons that can fill in for many roles, innana can do any basic element, baal can do 3, trumpter 4, 2 dark demons, 2 force, 2 lightning, many fires, many phys, some healers, some special moves sprinkled in. Light is the only one i didn't cover, but i have some demons with light moves and debilitate and luster, like maria or sraosha, but i never have them in my party, i just built them for fun, and the sake of having light if i needed it (I didn't.)

Thanks for the full list. Ever thought about creating demon build guides for VV's Steam Guide section? But yeah, this will definitely come in handy for when I start my playthrough.

[WEST SIDE KAKANAS]

With grimoires and stat boosting items you can bring practically any demon to end-game. Idun for instace, is a level 40 - 50 demon iirc, but I had her in my endgame party

a lot of demons have unique skills to encourage this

[HezaK]

Postat inițial de mimidee:

With grimoires and stat boosting items you can bring practically any demon to end-game. Idun for instace, is a level 40 - 50 demon iirc, but I had her in my endgame party

a lot of demons have unique skills to encourage this

it's cause of how OP golden apple was. and for story spoiler related reasons i wont say here. she's the second best healer in the game but worth taking to the end.

[CerusSerenade]

Impossible to say because of how new signature moves and innate traits will affect things. The only certainty is that the DLC demons will likely be good, for instance Dagda giving extra press turns will likely have a number of uses.

[HezaK]

i have nothing to add to the convo.

that said i was gonna get this on PC but am gonna pick it up on switch instead, i want to see how transferring demons from the original goes since we can transfer 3 over. i hope you all enjoy the game!