Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

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id Feb 28, 2024 @ 5:30am
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DENUVO is a deal breaker
After a lot of problem I had with it by buying DENUVO games in the past I just do not buy anymore. Sorry. Maybe when DENUVO is removed from this game I'll consider buying. Until then, good luck.

(yeah, I'm voting with my wallet)

edit: Last known DENUVO headache: https://gamerant.com/denuvo-outage-servers-down-persona-5-royal-unplayable-online/

Wake up! DENUVO games are not yours! Don't be a fool! DO NOT buy DENUVO.
Last edited by id; May 11, 2024 @ 4:13am
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id Mar 4, 2024 @ 2:44am 
I find sad that people likes to take part in a software that only serves to cause problems and make pirates actually have the best version of the game.

When I see DENUVO in a game I pretty much read "pirate me" instead.

Maybe this could refresh peoples memory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZGCwAJpbM

Also, I should add that the only real way for people to not pirate is to offer value. I mean real value. Like the one that we see in CDPR games that sells a real lot of copies even without any DRM at all. Also, the game don't have an absurd price so the game offers real value for the money. Again, Gabe Newell said that "piracy is a problem of bad service from dev companies".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Another take from a dev about piracy:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lSofMoSdMqw

So, what DENUVO is? Just bad service. It's a bad service tied to absurd price. I hope I was able to explain why DENUVO = Pirate me.
Last edited by id; Mar 4, 2024 @ 3:47am
. Mar 4, 2024 @ 5:00am 
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:
Originally posted by Garbage:

I like good jokes, but this one is in poor taste. Can you tell a better one?

Show us on a doll where the Big Bad Denuvo man touched you.

I don't think Reinhard and his cronies require you or anyone at their beck and call for defense.
Dank Sidious Mar 4, 2024 @ 5:56am 
Originally posted by Garbage:
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Show us on a doll where the Big Bad Denuvo man touched you.

I don't think Reinhard and his cronies require you or anyone at their beck and call for defense.

That name doesn't say anything to me. I don't know who this poor individual you are obsessing over is, but I sure hope your Intrusive thoughts about him don't end up winning.
. Mar 4, 2024 @ 5:59am 
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:
Originally posted by Garbage:

I don't think Reinhard and his cronies require you or anyone at their beck and call for defense.

That name doesn't say anything to me. I don't know who this poor individual you are obsessing over is, but I sure hope your Intrusive thoughts about him don't end up winning.

CEO of Irdeto.

I don't know why you want DRM in your games which ends out harming your ownership and performance.
Dank Sidious Mar 4, 2024 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Garbage:
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

That name doesn't say anything to me. I don't know who this poor individual you are obsessing over is, but I sure hope your Intrusive thoughts about him don't end up winning.

CEO of Irdeto.

I don't know why you want DRM in your games which ends out harming your ownership and performance.

I don't want DRM in my games.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1446780/discussions/0/4140564582445471715/

I'd rather not have it; I just don't care about Deruvo as much as you do.
Panky.. Mar 5, 2024 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:
Originally posted by Garbage:

CEO of Irdeto.

I don't know why you want DRM in your games which ends out harming your ownership and performance.

I don't want DRM in my games.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1446780/discussions/0/4140564582445471715/

I'd rather not have it; I just don't care about Deruvo as much as you do.
Apathy and ignorance is the same as being in support of.
DeStroYeR Mar 5, 2024 @ 6:07am 
Hmm. Wonder if it'd be possible to remove Denuvo from this in the future then.
Sandwich Mar 5, 2024 @ 6:15am 
Originally posted by DeStroYeR:
Hmm. Wonder if it'd be possible to remove Denuvo from this in the future then.
Most likely it'll be cracked within a week or 2 given denuvo's track record
SadPlatty© Mar 5, 2024 @ 7:21am 
Originally posted by Sandwich:
Originally posted by DeStroYeR:
Hmm. Wonder if it'd be possible to remove Denuvo from this in the future then.
Most likely it'll be cracked within a week or 2 given denuvo's track record

Maybe given their track record 4+ years ago - though I think it's funny people are spreading this mis-information it is still fragile as an egg. Best comparable examples - neither P3R nor P5R got cracked yet and it's been a year +.

Anybody can also currently check the Reddit of all Denuvo games that have been cracked, and you will find 2 things to go off of :
- "Immortals of Aveum Demo" from 8/22/2023 was the last game cracked; previous one being "Etrian Odyssey HD+ I-III" on 6/1/2023, then "Dead Island 2" 4/21 (so 1 every few months)
- With regards to AAA cracks, it is said only 1 person remains in this scene (EMPRESS) - otherwise there was a falling out between the group and most quit. Empress also only does this for a commission.

Hence - 10 cracks last year is a good deal of them, but notice I didn't list any for 2024 as there isn't one yet.


**Mind you - I am not saying this as a supporter; just that they are finding new ways to make it harder.
Last edited by SadPlatty©; Mar 5, 2024 @ 7:24am
Melodia Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:09am 
As mentioned in the other thread, Etrian Odyssey's Denuvo was NOT cracked. The games released for a short while with no Denuvo, the only crack was the standard Steamworks DRM (and thus all pirated copies will be on the 1.0)
Last edited by Melodia; Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:09am
SadPlatty© Mar 5, 2024 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by Melodia:
As mentioned in the other thread, Etrian Odyssey's Denuvo was NOT cracked. The games released for a short while with no Denuvo, the only crack was the standard Steamworks DRM (and thus all pirated copies will be on the 1.0)

And I get that - I just included it to further the example as technically, the game did have Denuvo added, and you could find a version online (which is better than nothing at all).

In practice however - the game having been given to pirates effectively due to missing Denuvo up-front :
A) Shows people will still pirate a game without Denuvo in the vacuum of this one case vs pay for it - proofing out why ORGs are still using it
B) Denuvo is working as expected to the point that 2023 had only *7 games release that where cracked

* : It's a bit hard to tell what "Demo Bypass" means without the background, but if this truly means the demo was cracked vs the full game - then that number is actually 5, as "Dead Space" (just like "Immortals of Aveum" above) was a Demo Bypass. Would bundle this with Odyssey as your also playing an older version of the game, and just hopped from the demo into the game (as I assume it is breaking an invisible wall that stops you from playing the full game via the demo).
Dank Sidious Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:03am 
Originally posted by Panky..:
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

I don't want DRM in my games.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1446780/discussions/0/4140564582445471715/

I'd rather not have it; I just don't care about Deruvo as much as you do.
Apathy and ignorance is the same as being in support of.

IF I have to choose from being for your or against you then I'm against you. In that case I support Denuvo wholeheartedly.

You don't get people to join your side by forcing them.
Last edited by Dank Sidious; Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:06am
. Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:11am 
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:
Originally posted by Panky..:
Apathy and ignorance is the same as being in support of.

IF I have to choose from being for your or against you then I'm against you. In that case I support Denuvo wholeheartedly.

You don't get people to join your side by forcing them.

This is objectively the incorrect take. Arguing against consumer rights is a fool's errand, especially since it's amoral and anti-utilitarian in nature.
Dank Sidious Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:39am 
Originally posted by Garbage:
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

IF I have to choose from being for your or against you then I'm against you. In that case I support Denuvo wholeheartedly.

You don't get people to join your side by forcing them.

This is objectively the incorrect take. Arguing against consumer rights is a fool's errand, especially since it's amoral and anti-utilitarian in nature.

I'm not the one who made that ultimatum. If someone says that I have to speak for your cause or be automatically against it, then obviously by default I'm against it.
Last edited by Dank Sidious; Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:40am
. Mar 5, 2024 @ 9:40am 
Originally posted by Dank Sidious:
Originally posted by Garbage:

This is objectively the incorrect take. Arguing against consumer rights is a fool's errand, especially since it's amoral and anti-utilitarian in nature.

I'm not the one who made that ultimatum. If someone says that I have to be speak for your cause or be automatically against it, then obviously by default I'm against it.

How about this then:

You're for the removal of DRM or you're for the metaphorical idea of taking in the diseased lengths of corporate executives and saying "thank you daddy" after each and every meal?

It's more apropos to say that. Sadly, there's no third options.
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