Broodmother lore

[Pontianak Tamer]

So do you guys think they will change the broodmother lore based on the current 'issues'?

[Romo]

No???
Why are people making up stuff to be concerned/mad about now lol

[Pontianak Tamer]

Originally posted by Romo:

No???
Why are people making up stuff to be concerned/mad about now lol

Relax, it was a genuine question not another identity war.

Just curious as they are already ok with adding new things to change the outlook of darkspawn. They could very well make a change to how darkspawn eventually get created.

Besides alot of discussions start from curious questions to genuine comparisons.

[Romo]

Originally posted by Pontianak Tamer:

Originally posted by Romo:

No???
Why are people making up stuff to be concerned/mad about now lol

Relax, it was a genuine question not another identity war.

Just curious as they are already ok with adding new things to change the outlook of darkspawn. They could very well make a change to how darkspawn eventually get created.

Okay my bad. But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon. We knew how darkspawn reproduced, but now we also know how the blight was actually created instead of whatever the chantry said

[Alvin the Elf]

Considering how conservatives, especially in the US, don't want even **** victims to get abortions, the broodmother is a pretty realistic depiction of social issues. So you're probably good with it.

[Pontianak Tamer]

Originally posted by Romo:

Originally posted by Pontianak Tamer:

Relax, it was a genuine question not another identity war.

Just curious as they are already ok with adding new things to change the outlook of darkspawn. They could very well make a change to how darkspawn eventually get created.

Okay my bad. But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon. We knew how darkspawn reproduced, but now we also know how the blight was actually created instead of whatever the chantry said

For those who never started at origins or speed through without reading notes and such, they might have missed out the dark fantasy lore of this.

I'm aware the new darkspawn are changed instead of produced, which unless there are going to be like farming chambers where the moment broodmothers spawn new ones and get changed, it will be illogical for there to be a swarm of these constant new darkspawns

[Romo]

Originally posted by Pontianak Tamer:

Originally posted by Romo:

Okay my bad. But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon. We knew how darkspawn reproduced, but now we also know how the blight was actually created instead of whatever the chantry said

For those who never started at origins or speed through without reading notes and such, they might have missed out the dark fantasy lore of this.

I'm aware the new darkspawn are changed instead of produced, which unless there are going to be like farming chambers where the moment broodmothers spawn new ones and get changed, it will be illogical for there to be a swarm of these constant new darkspawns

I think this change only happens after solas fails his ritual in the opening scene. Once the spoiler bit happens, that’s when existing darkspawn in and around this part of Thedas change. I don’t think darkspawn down in ferelden for example change. It’s just the doing of someone who is present here and now and using them as an army of stupid looking minions

[Pontianak Tamer]

Originally posted by Ethram:

Originally posted by Romo:

Okay my bad. But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon. We knew how darkspawn reproduced, but now we also know how the blight was actually created instead of whatever the chantry said

Mother of Monsters make monsters cartoon clown. Amazing effect.
In what weird, warped logic, this came to pass? Wouldn't she make them scarier and more deformed? Not funny clowns cartoon monsters.

I think everyone here despite which side agrees the scooby doo skeleton faced darkspawn are the worst redesign.

[Xafron Chi]

I could see it being handled a few different ways.

A retcon would not surprise me in the least.

They could also add new lore..."wow, the darkspawn have gained the ability to split like amoebas thanks to the dark elven gods! Broodmothers aren't needed anymore.

A small part of me could also see them just getting the original lore wrong entirely. I suspect it's mostly, if not all new people working on this game. They've clearly taken this game into some different directions with the overall tone and aesthetic. If they don't really respect their predecessor's work, they could have not done their research properly and got stuff wrong. Wouldn't be the first time we have seen that from a developer.

What I think is most likely though, is that they go out of their way to avoid bringing up any of the "uncomfortable" stuff. They won't have to worry about pissing people off with lore retcons and rewrites, but they can avoid dealing with topics that "trigger" people.

[Xafron Chi]

Originally posted by Ethram:

Originally posted by Romo:

Okay my bad. But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon. We knew how darkspawn reproduced, but now we also know how the blight was actually created instead of whatever the chantry said

Mother of Monsters make monsters cartoon clown. Amazing effect.
In what weird, warped logic, this came to pass? Wouldn't she make them scarier and more deformed? Not funny clowns cartoon monsters.

The ogre so far is the worst one. Some of the others looked...fine.

[BornToFragAlpha]

Can someone bring me up to speed please on the lore? How are the Darkspawn changed? How is the Blight created? I don't get any of this. Where you guys get this lore from?

[Dehumanizer]

Originally posted by Romo:

But no, the darkspawn change, although it’s bad I’ll admit too, is due to one of the antagonists that does smth smth which I won’t spoil. I don’t think there’s going to be any lore retcon.

Every single change they make is a deliberate creative decision that they retroactively justify narratively.

>hey wouldn't it be cool if we did X
>yeah that looks good but how do we explain it?
>oh let's just give [character] the ability to [do it] and imply that he/she has the desire to do that

That is what writers, across all fiction, do all the time. Maybe they wrote something in the past that they don't like anymore, boom - something happens that changes it. Maybe they take over the IP from someone who wrote something in the past that the current team doesn't like anymore, boom - it was an ureliable narrator who was exaggerating. Or it was an isolated splinter faction of the whole tribe that gave it a bad name and the actual rules of the main tribe are totally different. See kossith vs. qunari.

That is why having a lore bible with facts and unchangable events, tone and characters is so damn important. But writers usually hate that because they all want to write "their" story with "their" spin and the more untouchable lore an IP has the less room for creativity writers have.

[Alvin the Elf]

Originally posted by BornToFragAlpha:

Can someone bring me up to speed please on the lore? How are the Darkspawn changed? How is the Blight created? I don't get any of this. Where you guys get this lore from?

The creation of the Blight was discussed in Inquisition as far as I remember. The rest is Veilguard spoiler probably taken from the trailers and articles.

[Pontianak Tamer]

Originally posted by Alvin the Elf:

Originally posted by BornToFragAlpha:

Can someone bring me up to speed please on the lore? How are the Darkspawn changed? How is the Blight created? I don't get any of this. Where you guys get this lore from?

The creation of the Blight was discussed in Inquisition as far as I remember. The rest is Veilguard spoiler probably taken from the trailers and articles.

Yup this.

BioWare was definitely questioned about the new design of the goofy darkspawns and they replied with how these new changes are lore-friendly

[Xafron Chi]

Originally posted by Alvin the Elf:

Originally posted by BornToFragAlpha:

Can someone bring me up to speed please on the lore? How are the Darkspawn changed? How is the Blight created? I don't get any of this. Where you guys get this lore from?

The creation of the Blight was discussed in Inquisition as far as I remember. The rest is Veilguard spoiler probably taken from the trailers and articles.

Ya there's been some stuff dropped in trailers, articles and so on. So don't look it up unless you don't mind spoilers.

[Alvin the Elf]

I don't know if I would call the new darkspawn goofy, but then again I thought DA2's darkspawn design was the worst of the lot. I guess I'll see when the game comes out.