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[BB-8]

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[Rava]

id say a bewb job but they didn't really allow you to have big enough ta tas to say they are fake.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Originally posted by Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser:

Why? It's a completely optional thing that no one has to see on their character unless they, themselves, choose to engage with said option. For their character, for their own RP purposes, in the privacy of their own home, in a single player video game.

Even if the objection is, "Because its inclusion is for sociopolitical reasons," ... so what? It can be ignored in the most perfunctory possible way. Hell, you can even be annoyed it's there, and still also ignore it and not have it affect your own character whatsoever.

And they can simply be magically removed as well. Why does our character not avail themselves of that option? Why not just eliminate all scarring from games taking place in such settings?

At the end of the day, it's a fantasy experience. I give my characters scars all the time. I come up with RP reasons for how they got them, or I just think they look cool. Never have I thought to myself, "Hmm, why does my character still have this scar if they can simply heal themselves magically or remove them?" For that matter... in a world where magic that can be used to change one's appearance exists... why can't someone intentionally give themselves scars for purely aesthetic reasons? Why not? Why is that never asked or nitpicked? Why only the reverse, and only in this instance?

Either way, it's an option provided. Now people have an additional option to avail themselves of if they choose to. It does not affect those who don't wish to do so.

force us to conform

How is anyone forcing you to conform to anything? Are you compelled to purchase this game or any other video game? Are you compelled to avail yourself of the cosmetic option in question? Are you compelled to agree with, like, or comport your own thoughts, feelings, beliefs, etc. with what is depicted in this work of fiction? Does the fact that you're here expressing said disagreement and critique seem to you as though you're being forced to conform to anything by virtue of the existence of this product, or its features?

[talemore]

The thing about politics, they care about you even when you don't care about it.

[Eddiero]

Originally posted by Kiya:

It's a single player game. Why do you care so much about an option no one is forcing you to use.

Why the need to create endless, countless topics on something so small.

You don't like it. Fine, you have said your piece, move on. Find some other game.

because the Mirror that lets you change appearances is canon in the lore?

[Seraphiel]

If it were Cyberpunk, those scars wouldn't be an issue and they would fit with the genre.

However, having complex trans-surgery scars in a medieval adjacent fantasy world is just ridiculous. Equally, if appearance is altered by magic via the mirror, why are there scars at all? Either way, very immersion breaking.

[Sgt_Donowitz]

imagine being this invested in an option in a game that doesn't ever need to bother you, while you spend your whole time spamming and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on forums of a game that you don't want to play. but yeah the woke are so intolerant, you are just sad little crybabies suffering from views of masculinity you cant keep up with. its not healthy living in this xonstant state of fear and hate from an enemy that doesn't even exist. look where it got you, hatewatching player numbers of a game for days. go spend time with your family or do something thats goos for you

[talemore]

Shaving beard is a facial surgery.
Likewise is cutting your hair a surgery.

But it's not the issue here. Really. It is that existence of you don't exist as you are just scars.

And who else made surgical scars?

The SS in Germany had facial scars to look cool that they made up fake duels to cut each other with swords.

[Sgt_Donowitz]

Originally posted by talemore:

Shaving beard is a facial surgery.
Likewise is cutting your hair a surgery.

But it's not the issue here. Really. It is that existence of you don't exist as you are just scars.

And who else made surgical scars?

The SS in Germany had facial scars to look cool that they made up fake duels to cut each other with swords.

they still do it to this day here in austria ^^ it's called burschenschaften

[Caldrin]

Originally posted by BB-8:

I don't understand that at all. Someone lets things be cut off because they'll definitely feel better afterwards (it's just stupid if they don't, but that's another topic). The only things that aren't perfect afterwards are these ugly scars, but you just can't get rid of them.

So what kind of design decision is it that you can choose surgical scars like that?! Even from a woke perspective, it doesn't make sense.

Question ?

Why does it bother you so much ?

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Originally posted by Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser:

How is anyone forcing you to conform to anything? Are you compelled to purchase this game or any other video game?

Are you compelled to avail yourself of the cosmetic option in question? Are you compelled to agree with, like, or comport your own thoughts, feelings, beliefs, etc. with what is depicted in this work of fiction?

Does the fact that you're here expressing said disagreement and critique seem to you as though you're being forced to conform to anything by virtue of the existence of this product, or its features?

Are you familiar with social engineering?

You didn't answer my question. What about this makes you feel "forced to conform?" Are you saying the "social engineering" you perceive has the ability to "force you to conform?"

But I'll try to answers yours.

Yes I'm familiar with the term. However, I'm also familiar with people calling forms of political or ideological or even simply personal expression in a work of art such as a video game "social engineering" or "propaganda" on the basis that they have personal ideological objections to it.

Often people who in other contexts extol the virtues of free expression, free speech, being anti-censorship, etc.

irritating in the f#cking extreme to be lectured on morality from a Soyjacked Cancel-Jockey

I'm going to be honest. I have no idea what a "soyjacked cancel-jockey" is. I come from The Before Times and don't speak internet outside of older acronyms such as "lol" and whatever other dialectics I've gradually picked up.

who is more than willing to ruin people's lives should they not debase themselves like they do in their attempt to self-flagellate on the altar of acceptance.

Are you referring to that scene people have been fixating on in the game? Or something in real life? I can't tell at this point. If the latter, I have never experienced such.

If the former, speaking solely for myself, I just saw it as a humorous scene in which a fictional character engaged in their particular cultural etiquette for issuing an apology.

And I don't see anything wrong with an apology for misgendering someone. As an analogy, if I accidentally step on someone's toe on the train, sure, maybe they won't care. Maybe it won't lead to an extended exchange. But if my accidentally stepping on someone's toe does lead to someone actually getting upset or light heartedly correcting me or banter between us taking place and them explaining to me how it affected them, then apologizing for stepping on their toe is perfectly normal for me and a simple matter of good manners and civil decorum.

I think some people, frankly, are taking the whole "self-flagellation" aspect of that scene a little too seriously and reading into it more than is there. I just found it funny, and as stated, it's an aspect of cultural etiquette for the character as written in the game.

To be blunt, we're fed the f#ck up with it.

Okay. As I said though, do you feel as though anything about it is "forcing you to conform" to it? I mean, you're here. Expressing how fed up with it you feel. You remain free not to buy the game or, if you do, not to engage with the cosmetic feature this topic is about. So... ?

[ojaa303]

If I would like to roleplay woman I would play female if man a would play a male, but this game lets you to play cringe as well

[NomadTR]

narcissism

[TerryLeeBrown]

Originally posted by BB-8:

I don't understand that at all. Someone lets things be cut off because they'll definitely feel better afterwards (it's just stupid if they don't, but that's another topic). The only things that aren't perfect afterwards are these ugly scars, but you just can't get rid of them.

So what kind of design decision is it that you can choose surgical scars like that?! Even from a woke perspective, it doesn't make sense.

I´m also baffled by that design choice. It´s probably the most vile and disgusting option I have ever seen in an character creator. Do these people really feel better when playing with top scars?

[Lucriseo]

Originally posted by BB-8:

All the woke people didn't understand my question! I wanted to understand how you think.

Why would you add such a scar to the character editor? Do you identify with this scar?! In reality you don't want these scars, so even from your point of view this must be nonsense?! Can't you even admit that?

And with the argument: "You can turn it off, you don't have to use it!" you could put any nonsense into a computer game, just any nonsense. You don't have to use it! So let's put 10,000 absolutely pointless things into a game in the future that you don't have to use, that will definitely be great! The main thing is that we can use them to fuel political agendas...

Anyway, I'm out... cut off whatever you want... by the way, I know an IT that became an IT when woke didn't even exist yet. IT will now need morphine for the rest of ITs life ;-)

... but you live in a beautiful, perfect world...

At some point this movement will realize that it has been used...

People have told you several time why they are added : People who want to make themselves, or wants to roleplay as someone who got those surgeries.

My aunt got double masectomy, and she is a huge dragon age fans. She was absolutelly the happiest i ever saw about the game outside Solas showing up in trailers about it, because she can make fully herself in the game. IDK what woke is, and i don't even care because everytime someone tries to explain it to me it changes radically , but at this point it's getting ridicolous.

Please, for the love of whatever you hold dear, if you ask a question, and people answer it to you, read it.

Unless i'm wrong and this is just someone who wanted to waste time to everyone involved here.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Surgery of this type would also not be readily available on a professional level in this world, meaning that every transgender character in this game received their surgery in a dirty back alley from a medical "professional" who couldn't even afford healing potions to patch up their patients afterwards.

In a fantasy world, it would make more sense to be a magical thing. Like there's actually canonical transgender characters in D&D and Pathfinder and they used magic to transition.