You don't need Denuvo.

[lukaself]

Using Denuvo is like admitting you have no confidence in your product's ability to incentivize a purchase from the pirates on its own. One thing I realized recently is that not a single game with Denuvo ever ended up Steam's top seller for any given year. (Why is Denuvo Anti-Tamper a problem?)

Palworld is currently breaking every sales record on Steam and is completely DRM-free. Last year's best selling title Baldur's Gate 3 was DRM-free, 2022 was the year of Elden Ring - no Denuvo there, 2021's most popular title Valheim was DRM-free, 2020 best selling title Hades was DRM-free, as well as Slay the Spire in 2019, Rimworld in 2018, Hollow Knight in 2017, Stardew Valley in 2016, The Witcher 3 in 2015...

I'm gutted as I've been desperately waiting for the return of Homeworld for years. I'm also a big fan of Black Bird Interactive's job on Shipbreaker who happens to be available DRM-free as well. People love this universe... and they evidently love DRM-free games, so please let them a chance to prove it to you by skipping the usual pitfalls of counter-productive AAA management.

[Neozoon]

dayum those are a lot or merged threads

[Dante]

It's even in the DEMO. The only reason I can think of is them going out of their way to enforce it as a limited time thing which is just ass.

[Chiral]

Looks like i don't have to pay for the game when it comes out ;)

[Mythos]

I doubt they had a choice. Their publisher Gearbox probably made them put it in.

[Khorne Flakes]

Won't buy with Denuvo. So sad, maybe in a few years?

[Victius]

I doubt its their fault usually its the publisher that demands it and not sure if they have demands from financiers. The corpos that have the money dont know or understand ♥♥♥♥ how things work. They think they will get more buys if they use Denuvo where as there isnt any real proof that that it actually increases sales.

[DarkElement]

Publicado originalmente por lukaself:

Publicado originalmente por DarkElement:

I dont care what it says. no need.

"I don't care but will still go out of my way to tell you how much I don't care... "

Okaaay. Smile and wave, people. :lunar2019laughingpig:

*waves*

[Chroniver]

I am absolutely not a fan of denuvo and DRM as I firmly believe the quality of the game matters and will sell the game.

No one has an answer to the question of: "How many of the pirates would have bought it?"

That said, I also believe in fair examples and truth be told: Hogwarts Legacy was one of the best selling games as well and did have Denuvo.

The logical conclusion is that it simply does not matter and it's therefore a pointless investment.

[NIkto Barada]

sry denuvo ruined just cause 3 for me made it unplayable

[Squall Leonhart]

It is Denuvo Anti-Tamper, it will be intended to prevent rampant cheating as was common with the original games (trainers with fleet cap removal, instant build and infinite RU's were a thing) without going to the extent of using a kernel anti-cheat driver. Anti-tamper can prevent this by obfuscating memory making it more difficult for Cheat engine or WeMod to work consistently from one machine to the next.

Pirates are the furthest from BBI's mind.

Publicado originalmente por Dante:

It's even in the DEMO. The only reason I can think of is them going out of their way to enforce it as a limited time thing which is just ass.

Indeed, and it is not causing performance issues so stop crying about it and be glad there won't be rampant multiplier cheating.

Publicado originalmente por UncleMarty:

Funny thing is, I was playing the demo and getting random stutters, alt tabbed to see if there were any posts on the forum about it and found out it had Denuvo on it. Why am I not shocked? Have uninstalled and will wait till they patch the game, remove the Denuvo and I'll buy it on sale for almost nothing.

Remember kids, Denuvo helps launch sales /s

Stutters aren't Anti-Tamper related, game has a consistently smooth frametime here, What can cause stutters is a little known Windows 11 feature called Hardware Flip Queue, which Nvidia found out has a bug in it the hard way when they turned it on in Driver RElease 545,

Release 551.52 has a workaround which should smooth your gameplay out.

Publicado originalmente por MelhemX:

Denovo hurt costumers more than pirates. It has have been proven that it negatively impacts performance.
Games that removed denovo gets a substantial performance increase

You cite a specific (and statistically only) example of Assassins creed Origins, where the developers are morons and triggered VMProtect on Every single input, a well thought out implementation will not and does not have performance issues (As demonstrated in this game running fine on 12 year old xeon cpu's.

The Anti-tamper vendor has gone out of their way to release performance data proving the concerns in threads like this have no merit.


And before someone cites Hogwarts Legacy, that was confirmed to be a bug in the steam overlay slowing the game down, not Denuvo.

Just as a PSA: the op is a known fearmonger that always whines about anti-cheat and anti-tamper mechanisms, there are no concerns to be had about modding or performance.

[lukaself]

Publicado originalmente por Squall Leonhart:

It is Denuvo Anti-Tamper, it will be intended to prevent rampant cheating [...]

Pure fabrication. Denuvo Anti-Tamper does not prevent cheating in the slightest. You only have to check how previous games like Monster Hunter had perfectly working Cheat engine tables You're confusing it with Denuvo Anti-Cheat which is another middleware entirely.

The Anti-tamper vendor has gone out of their way to release performance data proving the concerns in threads like this have no merit.

Again, pure fabrication. Irdeto has never released any data in that sense.

I only tackled these two points because they were the most egregious but the rest is also either unconfirmed or contradicted, like the game having a consistently smooth frametime. This game has one of the worst frametimes I've ever seen in a strategy game, except from Deserts of Kharak, coincidentally from the same developers so, yes, that one is probably not on Denuvo but I would still appreciate for it to be fixed.

Also, one final note of warning: In agreement with Steam's guidelines for these forums, please discuss the points, not the person.

[lukaself]

Publicado originalmente por Chroniver:

That said, I also believe in fair examples and truth be told: Hogwarts Legacy was one of the best selling games as well and did have Denuvo.

I believe it's not a good example: Not only this game was cracked in record time and thus Denuvo couldn't have any effect on piracy, the top seller game on Steam that year, Baldur's Gate 3, dwarfed the sales of HL by selling about twice as many copies.

Baldur's Gate 3 is a completely DRM-free game: as I mentioned in the OP, the top selling game for any given year on Steam has been almost invariably a DRM-free game for the past decade. If it's a fluke, it's a hell of a one. I strongly believe that, while most people do not care about a sensible amount of protection, excessive and untrusted DRM like Denuvo is counter-productive.

[Archer]

Will not purchase with third-party DRM.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Publicado originalmente por lukaself:

Publicado originalmente por Chroniver:

That said, I also believe in fair examples and truth be told: Hogwarts Legacy was one of the best selling games as well and did have Denuvo.

Baldur's Gate 3 is a completely DRM-free game: as I mentioned in the OP, the top selling game for any given year on Steam has been almost invariably a DRM-free game for the past decade. If it's a fluke, it's a hell of a one. I strongly believe that, while most people do not care about a sensible amount of protection, excessive and untrusted DRM like Denuvo is counter-productive. :clickbutton:

Personally, I'd put more a lot more weight on the games themselves and influencer hype, than not having or having weak DRM.

[lukaself]

Publicado originalmente por Elitewrecker PT:

Publicado originalmente por lukaself:

Baldur's Gate 3 is a completely DRM-free game: as I mentioned in the OP, the top selling game for any given year on Steam has been almost invariably a DRM-free game for the past decade. If it's a fluke, it's a hell of a one. I strongly believe that, while most people do not care about a sensible amount of protection, excessive and untrusted DRM like Denuvo is counter-productive.

Personally, I'd put more a lot more weight on the games themselves and influencer hype, than not having or having weak DRM.

Sure, but not only the top sellers games are DRM-free, they're also good games that are properly marketed? Gee, I wonder why they're popular and I love it confuses the hell out of the AAA analysts... XD

More seriously, I see this as an absolute win.