I NEED HELP WITH FACE FLEX'S

[GORYGIRL1996]

I AM NOT TYPING LIKE THIS TO YELL JUST SO WERE ALL CLEAR, I HAVE EYE ISSUES AND NEED TO SEE THIS BETTER....THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING. ^_^

ANYWAYS...DOWN TO BUSINESS.......

I NEED FIXED FACE FLEX'S FOR SOME MODELS...(EYE'S WIDER AND EYE BROWS MOVE BETTER UP.DOWN BETTER I SHOULD SAY,AND MOUTH'S OPEN WIDER, ECT, NOT TRYING TO BE PICKY.)...BECAUSE.....LOOK,.I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE TO COPY N PASTE EM FROM ONE MODEL ONTO ANOTHER ....BUT I NEED THE MODELS I AM ABOUT TO ASK FOR TO HAVE FACE FLEX'S LIKE THIS GUYS.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=246844569

(I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT AN EASY REQUEST TO DO, I'M SORRY IF I COULD DO IT I WOULD BUT I HAVE NO 3D EXPERIENCE.....ANYWAYS I NEED ALL THESE FOR PROJECTS I AM WORKING ON.) ALSO I'M NOT ASKING ONE PERSON TO DO IT ALL I DON;T CARE IF MUTABLE PPL DO IT LIKE SOMEONE DOSE HALF AND SOMEONE ELSE DOSE ANOTHER..... WHAT EVER MAKES IT EASIER ON YOU ALL. :)

THE MODELS I NEED THE FIX'S FOR ARE

HALF LIFE 2'S

"FATHER GRIGORI" (FOR NOW HES MY MAIN CONCERN FOR THE HL2 MODELS BUT I'M LISTING THE OTHER ONES I HAD IN MIND.)

I ALSO NEED...

THE LAST HL2 MODEL I NEED TO BE FIXED IS THE BETA FATHER GRIGORI http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=619791481 I DON'T NEED THE OTHER BETA MODELS IN THAT PACK, I JUST NEED HIM AND I NEED HIS FACE FLEX'S FIXED TOO.....ABOUT HIM I JUST NEED JUST HIS CLOTHS/CROSS NECKLACE AND SHOES NOT HIS BETA TEXTURED HEAD/HANDS. SO, I DON'T CARE IF THE BETA GRIGORI'S CLOTHS/SHOES/CROSS IS A SKIN OR IF HES A SEPARATE MODEL ETHER WAY I DON'T WAN THE BETA HEAD AND HANDS IF HES A SEPARATE MODEL AND U DON'T DECIDE TO MAKE HIM A SKIN FOR THE NORMAL GRIGORI THEN DON'T WORRY I CAN FIX IT MYSELF. I DON'T CARE IF HES A SKIN OR SEPARATE MODEL WITCH EVER MAKES IT EASIER FOR U ALL.^_^

NOW, THE LAST MODEL'S FACE FLEX'S, UNLIKE THE OTHER MODELS...... THE ONLY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED ARE HIS EYES. (THEY NEED TO TO BE ABLE TO OPEN WIDER LIKE ENHANCED BILL.)

HERE'S THE MODEL I NEED. ^_^ http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=752103513

(SPEAKING OF HIM ENHANCED BILL, IF IT MAKES IT EASIER TO JUST ADD HOSPITAL BILL AS A BODYGROUP TO ENHANCED BILL RATHER THEN THE FACE FLEX EDITING THEN PLEASE GO FOR IT. AGAIN WHAT EVER MAKES IT EASIER FOR U ALL I JUST DON'T NEED HIS CIGAR ETHER WAY BODYGROUP OR SEPARATE MODEL THE ENHANCED BILL HAS ONE ALREADY SO I CAN ADD IT ON MY OWN IF THAT HELPS ^_^.)

THIS NEXT THING IS MINOR AND OPTIONAL BECAUSE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT OFF AND ON......THIS ONES FOR THE HOSPITAL BILL LIKE GRIGORI'S A "SKIN" MITE BE NEEDED A CLEAN VERSION OF THE HOSPITAL BILL'S HOSPITAL GOWN SKIN....AGAIN THIS IS OPTIONAL.

I HOPE THIS WASN'T TOO MUCH FOR YOU GUYS IF I COULD I'D DO IT MYSELF BUT I HAVE NO 3D EXPERIENCE. THANKS FOR READING. :D

AND PS I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND RUDE BUT CAN WE PLEASE NOT TURN THIS INTO A CAPS WAR. ^_^

[Fluid Script Studios]

IF THE MODELS HAVE EYELID BONES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST ROTATE THE BONES TO MAKE THE EYES APPEAR BIGGER

IF THEY HAVE EYEBALL BONES YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM TO ALSO APPEAR BIGGER

EDIT: I CHECKED ALYX, SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY BONES FOR THE EYES THAT ARE VISIBLE. PERHAPS IF SOMEONE KNEW HOW TO MAKE THOSE BONES VISIBLE IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE THEM TO YOUR LIKEING

[marty]

I CAN'T READ ANYTHING IN ALL THIS GIANT TEXT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY HELPS YOUR CAUSE I'D SUGGEST YOU UN CAPS IT I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING

[GORYGIRL1996]

Originally posted by TheNCourt:

IF THE MODELS HAVE EYELID BONES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST ROTATE THE BONES TO MAKE THE EYES APPEAR BIGGER

IF THEY HAVE EYEBALL BONES YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM TO ALSO APPEAR BIGGER

EDIT: I CHECKED ALYX, SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY BONES FOR THE EYES THAT ARE VISIBLE. PERHAPS IF SOMEONE KNEW HOW TO MAKE THOSE BONES VISIBLE IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE THEM TO YOUR LIKEING

THANK YOU ^_^ HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL AND IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY IT'S POSSIBLE THE OTHER HL2 MODELS DON'T ETHER RIGHT? AND TO BE HONEST I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO ROTATE THE BONES ANYWAYS. LOL I'M STILL LEARNING SFM SORT OF.

[Dicoguy]

Originally posted by fis:

I CAN'T READ ANYTHING IN ALL THIS GIANT TEXT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY HELPS YOUR CAUSE I'D SUGGEST YOU UN CAPS IT I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING

HOW IS IT SUPPOSE TO BE HARDER TO READ, IF ANYTHING IT SHOULD BE EASIER

[marty]

Originally posted by Dicoguy:

Originally posted by fis:

I CAN'T READ ANYTHING IN ALL THIS GIANT TEXT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY HELPS YOUR CAUSE I'D SUGGEST YOU UN CAPS IT I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING

HOW IS IT SUPPOSE TO BE HARDER TO READ, IF ANYTHING IT SHOULD BE EASIER

I THINK THE BIG CAPS CHARACTERS DON'T STAND OUT ENOUGH FROM THE LOWER CAPS SO EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IM SPELLING IT IN RUSSIAN SOOKEA BLYAD

[Marco Skoll]

THIS IS AT LEAST THE FOURTH TIME I'VE SEEN YOU REPOST WHAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE SAME THREAD. AND WITH THE SAME UNHELPFUL TITLE EVERY TIME - "I NEED HELP PLEASE" IS VAGUE TO THE POINT OF USELESSNESS. EXPLAIN *WHAT* HELP YOU NEED IN THE TITLE - SOMETHING LIKE "CAN SOMEONE MODIFY THESE MODELS" WOULD BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE.

YOU ARE ACTUALLY ASKING A HELL OF A LOT HERE. AS YOU SURMISED, FACIAL FLEXES CANNOT SIMPLY BE PASTED FROM ONE MODEL TO ANOTHER, SO EACH OF THESE ENHANCED MODELS YOU'RE ASKING FOR WILL TAKE AT LEAST A FEW HOURS TO PROPERLY MODEL AND TEST, PARTICULARLY IF THEY NEED THINGS LIKE PHONEMES SET UP.
(HELL, FOR REALLY GOOD FACIAL FLEXES, I'VE GOT SOME MODELS I'M STILL FINE TUNING AFTER MONTHS).

YOU'RE COMING ALONG WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUESTS I'VE SEEN IN A WHILE, AND IT'S AN UNPAID REQUEST TOO.

I'D START BY *HEAVILY* SCALING BACK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WORK OUT WHAT YOU *ABSOLUTELY* WANT TO HAVE.
SOMETHING LIKE HOSPITAL BILL IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EMERGENCY, AS HE CAN EASILY HAVE THE THE ENHANCED MODEL "HEAD-HACKED" ONTO HIM. (AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, GO AND GOOGLE "HEAD HACK SFM").

Originally posted by TheNCourt:

EDIT: I CHECKED ALYX, SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY BONES FOR THE EYES THAT ARE VISIBLE. PERHAPS IF SOMEONE KNEW HOW TO MAKE THOSE BONES VISIBLE IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE THEM TO YOUR LIKEING

THERE ARE NO BONES IN THE FACES OF MOST VALVE MODELS. FLEXES DO NOT WORK THROUGH SKELETAL ANIMATION.

[GORYGIRL1996]

Originally posted by Marco Skoll:

THIS IS AT LEAST THE FOURTH TIME I'VE SEEN YOU REPOST WHAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE SAME THREAD. AND WITH THE SAME UNHELPFUL TITLE EVERY TIME - "I NEED HELP PLEASE" IS VAGUE TO THE POINT OF USELESSNESS. EXPLAIN *WHAT* HELP YOU NEED IN THE TITLE - SOMETHING LIKE "CAN SOMEONE MODIFY THESE MODELS" WOULD BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE.

YOU ARE ACTUALLY ASKING A HELL OF A LOT HERE. AS YOU SURMISED, FACIAL FLEXES CANNOT SIMPLY BE PASTED FROM ONE MODEL TO ANOTHER, SO EACH OF THESE ENHANCED MODELS YOU'RE ASKING FOR WILL TAKE AT LEAST A FEW HOURS TO PROPERLY MODEL AND TEST, PARTICULARLY IF THEY NEED THINGS LIKE PHONEMES SET UP.
(HELL, FOR REALLY GOOD FACIAL FLEXES, I'VE GOT SOME MODELS I'M STILL FINE TUNING AFTER MONTHS).

YOU'RE COMING ALONG WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUESTS I'VE SEEN IN A WHILE, AND IT'S AN UNPAID REQUEST TOO.

I'D START BY *HEAVILY* SCALING BACK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WORK OUT WHAT YOU *ABSOLUTELY* WANT TO HAVE.
SOMETHING LIKE HOSPITAL BILL IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EMERGENCY, AS HE CAN EASILY HAVE THE THE ENHANCED MODEL "HEAD-HACKED" ONTO HIM. (AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, GO AND GOOGLE "HEAD HACK SFM").

Originally posted by TheNCourt:

EDIT: I CHECKED ALYX, SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY BONES FOR THE EYES THAT ARE VISIBLE. PERHAPS IF SOMEONE KNEW HOW TO MAKE THOSE BONES VISIBLE IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE THEM TO YOUR LIKEING

THERE ARE NO BONES IN THE FACES OF MOST VALVE MODELS. FLEXES DO NOT WORK THROUGH SKELETAL ANIMATION.

FINE THEN I KNOW IT'S A LOT ANYWAYS....SO I'LL TONE THEM DOWN TO JUST THREE MODELS AS FOR THE OTHERS I'LL WAIT UNTELL I NEED THEM. I ONLY MENTIONED THE OTHERS OUT OF JUST WONDERING IF I WOULD NEED THEM OR NOT.....AND I'LL FIX THE TITTLE TOO ^_^ SO I FIXED IT A LITTLE, IS IT BETTER? (I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY SORRY.)

[marty]

Originally posted by GORYGIRL1996:

Originally posted by Marco Skoll:

THIS IS AT LEAST THE FOURTH TIME I'VE SEEN YOU REPOST WHAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE SAME THREAD. AND WITH THE SAME UNHELPFUL TITLE EVERY TIME - "I NEED HELP PLEASE" IS VAGUE TO THE POINT OF USELESSNESS. EXPLAIN *WHAT* HELP YOU NEED IN THE TITLE - SOMETHING LIKE "CAN SOMEONE MODIFY THESE MODELS" WOULD BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE.

YOU ARE ACTUALLY ASKING A HELL OF A LOT HERE. AS YOU SURMISED, FACIAL FLEXES CANNOT SIMPLY BE PASTED FROM ONE MODEL TO ANOTHER, SO EACH OF THESE ENHANCED MODELS YOU'RE ASKING FOR WILL TAKE AT LEAST A FEW HOURS TO PROPERLY MODEL AND TEST, PARTICULARLY IF THEY NEED THINGS LIKE PHONEMES SET UP.
(HELL, FOR REALLY GOOD FACIAL FLEXES, I'VE GOT SOME MODELS I'M STILL FINE TUNING AFTER MONTHS).

YOU'RE COMING ALONG WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUESTS I'VE SEEN IN A WHILE, AND IT'S AN UNPAID REQUEST TOO.

I'D START BY *HEAVILY* SCALING BACK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WORK OUT WHAT YOU *ABSOLUTELY* WANT TO HAVE.
SOMETHING LIKE HOSPITAL BILL IS CERTAINLY NOT AN EMERGENCY, AS HE CAN EASILY HAVE THE THE ENHANCED MODEL "HEAD-HACKED" ONTO HIM. (AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, GO AND GOOGLE "HEAD HACK SFM").


THERE ARE NO BONES IN THE FACES OF MOST VALVE MODELS. FLEXES DO NOT WORK THROUGH SKELETAL ANIMATION.

FINE THEN I KNOW IT'S A LOT ANYWAYS....SO I'LL TONE THEM DOWN TO JUST THREE MODELS AS FOR THE OTHERS I'LL WAIT UNTELL I NEED THEM. I ONLY MENTIONED THE OTHERS OUT OF JUST WONDERING IF I WOULD NEED THEM OR NOT.....AND I'LL FIX THE TITTLE TOO ^_^ SO I FIXED IT A LITTLE, IS IT BETTER? (I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY SORRY.) [/quote
stop yelling idiot]

[surfer171]

Originally posted by fis:

Originally posted by GORYGIRL1996:

FINE THEN I KNOW IT'S A LOT ANYWAYS....SO I'LL TONE THEM DOWN TO JUST THREE MODELS AS FOR THE OTHERS I'LL WAIT UNTELL I NEED THEM. I ONLY MENTIONED THE OTHERS OUT OF JUST WONDERING IF I WOULD NEED THEM OR NOT.....AND I'LL FIX THE TITTLE TOO ^_^ SO I FIXED IT A LITTLE, IS IT BETTER? (I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY SORRY.)

stop yelling idiot]

That was uncalled for man.

[marty]

Originally posted by surfer171:

Originally posted by fis:

stop yelling idiot]

That was uncalled for man.

my birth was also uncalled for

[surfer171]

just respect people's vision problem, who knows what karma will do to you.

[Pte Jack]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331729733

[Fluid Script Studios]

Originally posted by Pte Jack:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331729733

I THINK YOUR VIDEO ALSO SERVES AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, FOR WHY WE PAY MODELERS TO DO THESE THINGS FOR US. ♥♥♥♥ LOOKS LIKE ROCKET SCIENCE.

[episoder]

Originally posted by TheNCourt:

I THINK YOUR VIDEO ALSO SERVES AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, FOR WHY WE PAY MODELERS TO DO THESE THINGS FOR US. ♥♥♥♥ LOOKS LIKE ROCKET SCIENCE.

that depends how good you can learn. especially the ui and techniques of your tools. a good portion of it is partially for fixing an effed up model or tryna being lazy copypasta. may not always be needed or a good choice. the essence is just being creative howto shape the 'morph targets' and pressing some buttons. that works.

[Marco Skoll]

Originally posted by Pte Jack:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331729733

Couple of corrections I've noticed:

The only way to get through a modifier that errors out because of shapekeys is to delete the shapekeys, apply the modifier and do the shapekeys again.

For a lot of modifiers, it is possible to export the mesh using BleST (which is effectively forced to apply the modifier on export) and then reimport.
It's not the prettiest workaround, but much less of a pain than having to start over entirely.

With mirror modifiers though I have a feeling that you may end up with the shape keys collapsing the mirrored side of the head. (At a pinch though, I think it's possible to mirror manually).

Remember in the things to be aware of section I said that You can't have shapekeys affect mesh across different objects

You can. Check out Taco's Shantae model on the workshop (or the SFMLab version, which has more examples), where several sliders affect both body shape and the fit of clothing body groups.

It's possible for multiple meshes to have the same flex if using DMX, the issue is having two conflicting flex controllers.
DMX models export shapekeys even if they have no controller. If you program your own controllers, you can give only one mesh a controller, but that controller will on compile work to control all matching flexes.
(I believe completely uncontrolled flexes are removed on compile though).

It gets a bit more complex if you want stereo flexes, as without a controller to split them automatically, the child meshes' flexes aren't recognised as the same as the master mesh's, but you can manually create "_right" and "_left" flexes and controllers, which SFM will see on the model and combine into one stereo slider.

This is however kind of "advanced mode", but it is possible.