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Mobile Suit Gundam (compilation movie) based on the OG Gundam series where they remove and add some stuff to compile them into a 3 part movie, the best of all the compilation movies. Revolves around a group that's mostly made up of young refugees which are forced to survive and fight in the war while using Earth's advanced prototypes and only hope of winning the war. In terms of plot, the original series surprisingly holds up to this day. The animation is rough by today's standard though. A remake is in the works.
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (compilation movie) the direct sequel to the original Gundam series. The compilation movie removes a lot of stuff from the original series and adds in these modern animation scenes which is out of place. I'd probably recommend watching the original series instead. The later parts starts the Universal Century's Newtype problems...
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (compilation movie) Great animation and conflict plot, can't say the same about the characters though. The compilation movies condenses it too much and details that are missing from the series is very obvious. The protagonists act like a bunch of dumb teenagers.
Char's Counterattack The movie to wrap up the Amuro vs Char rivalry from the first series. Great action, it's not as good as people praise it to be because of questionable character motivations but I do think it's a must watch. Introduces probably the most annoying character in the whole series.
G Gundam is enjoyable and based on the tournament style plot line. It's pretty campy and stupid in a fun way. It's fun to see giant robots disobey the laws of physics and do the most over the top actions. Has the Tequila and Nether Gundams.
Iron Blooded Orphans has good premise and is different that it isn't involved in wars but is focused on a group of for-hire security company that has the misfortune of clashing with Earth's military. Season2's first half is the weakest of the series.
but oh well i had a good laugh because of orga's meme and iok's death i guess
My favorite part was the mob boss who does nothing except look weak and let his clan fall apart. Why did season 1 waste so much time about how this guy was important to their future or something?
But if I have to state any specific shows I like, probably Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, 08th MS Team, and Turn A Gundam. Thunderbolt is also pretty cool and I've heard War in the Pocket is phenomenal.
Because he was. It was thanks to their connection to Teiwaz that Tekkadan ended up in a favorable position, owning one of the most profitable metal mines. Then Orga overstepped by making a deal with McGillis to try to take over Mars, prompting one of Teiwaz's other factions to betray them. Tekkadan ends up breaking ties with Teiwaz to take revenge, but this also sets up Teiwaz making a deal to sacrifice them to Gjallarhorn.
It's why IBO is the best-written show. Nobody in that chain of events is particularly wrong. Everyone is looking out for themselves or those closest to them. If anything, it's arguably the protagonists who make the biggest mistake. But the protagonists are also a bunch of kids, so it's understandable that they wouldn't be geniuses at interstellar politics.
Meanwhile, in UC, Amuro solves problems because he's a magic psychic space kid who can stop an entire asteroid with the power of bullcraplove.
Okay but that only further reinforces my complaint that the mob boss was useless and basically did nothing except sit by as his entire operation falls apart because one useless idiot got mad at the ambition of the other tekkadan. The point of being a mob boss is to not let your subordinates do things without your approval. The mob boss doesn't say anything about the mars deal being too much and instead just says that he will not permit them to get revenge (which is stupid because they were attacked first so by telling the obviously more powerful and useful side to stand down, he is essentially letting his entire operation fall apart because he can't bear to allow infighting... which has already happened and isn't being punished). I don't see how this is well written, it makes characters who are supposed to be competent completely incompetent beyond any level of belief.
Could you imagine any real mob bosses letting in-fighting go without any say? Would you imagine al capone letting the biggest and most powerful groups he has under his wing just up and leave because he cares more for the petty and useless goons his has than he does for a group he literally just risked his life, reputation and gang for a few months ago? IBO season 2 makes it very clear that if Tekkadan did nothing they would just keep getting attacked or raided until they were nothing. They mercenary boards screwed them over, their gang screws them over, the genius tactician they sided with somehow turned out to be completely developmentally delayed, the media which had independent elements that would cover Ghallarhorn atrocities somehow stayed completely silent and the only possible answer to explain why this happened, that they spent too much research into AI tech which was buried for a reason, isn't even mentioned at all.
I just don't see how this is well-written show when its season 2 is full of filler and extremely nonsensical plot developments that ignore season 1's tone and setting. In order for Tekkadan to fall, literally everyone in the galaxy had to be incompetent.
Regarding Teiwaz: You keep saying his entire operation fell apart, but it didn't. Teiwaz comes out of the whole story better than ever. They got huge rights to rare metal on Mars, cut out several troublesome elements - including Tekkadan, which had wild ambitions of ruling a planet - and ended up on good terms with the rejuvenated Gjallarhorn. If anything, it's evidence than their boss was playing the long game very well. Most of the deals he makes, including turning a blind eye to Tekkadan's actions, are because he's set up in a limited liability situation where he either benefits greatly or doesn't lose. The only part that wasn't according to a plan of his was when the Turbines get framed and killed, and then he lets Tekkadan take care of the betrayers after they leave Teiwaz so there's no ties back to him. The Turbines getting wiped out doesn't even matter because Azee reforms the company - which goes back to working under Teiwaz!
You're looking at this as an emotional thing for the Teiwaz boss. The only thing McMurdo cared about the whole time was his bottom line and every deal he made was to further his own pocket. The pragmatic versus the personal, and the underlying cost to humanity it involves, is a major theme in IBO.
There's an argument to be made that McMurdo was written as too good at his job because it's highly convenient that everything turns out well for him and his company despite his subfactions fighting each other and a connection to a major civil uprising, but that's a different discussion.
As a final note: I did say it was the best written Gundam series. In the end, they're all anime written for 15 year old boys and/or folks who will spend hundreds on Gunpla. IBO surprised me because it reaches a big higher than the other Gundam shows, but it definitely still relies on some contrivances that hurt its writing. At any rate, you really want to talk about a show that falls apart in the second half? Gundam 00.
Well that's what I'm referring to, logically he should not have come out of that the way he did. There's a lot wrong with the ending and its the tonal and logical inconsistency with what happened during the season and the end results. Space debris military usage is banned meaning no more child soldiers. This is treated like it solves the problem despite the fact that it being illegal really shouldn't change anything anyway. Similarly if any mob boss did what Mcmurdo did, they'd be dead in a week realistically speaking (what mobster would work with someone like this?) and even in-universe, he is very lucky that Gjallarhorn didn't kill\screw him anyway as he has no reason to believe they wouldn't.
He's far from the worst part of season 2, that would probably be reserved for the Dáinsleif (and how it damages setting in general since there is now literally zero reasons for gundams or mobile suits to exist unless these were actually a regular armament of them which they weren't implied to be; and this isn't going into nonsense like firing 100 of them because your opponent launched a single one and no one questioning that despite this happening like 3 times in the season) and the Rustal (who is actually apparently a good guy despite zero indications of this and his willingless to commit essentially a major warcrime with the Dáinsleif) or the actual ending which implies that everything was pointless because its heavily implied that angry kid is going to restart the war again because he's rightfully mad how everyone left Tekkadan for dead
I actually haven't watched Gundam 00 but it fits with the general theme a lot of mecha anime have, a really bad second half or ending (and there's like maybe 5 exceptions... total?). I don't feel like the target audience excuses odd and often times contradictory writing decisions. In terms of a full story, I'd say G-Gundam had the best overall story in terms of writing, plot twists and ending. Being ambitious and writing subversions doesn't mean you made a good product or had good writing.
Might have liked IBO more if it just had one more season to give it time for that ending.
I didn't care for the characters at all. They actively unlearned their lessons from season 1 to point that they just started killing space debris because "they just don't have the time" IIRC.
I dunno. I grew attached to the main cast enough. It's 50 episodes, same as any other modern Gundam series, and has a fairly small main cast compared to something like Gundam 00 with its half-dozen factions. But something can't please everyone, so I'm sorry to hear it didn't resonate with you.
McMurdo had knowledge of the ruse Gjallarhorn pulled to frame the Turbines. That was his whole bargain with them. In exchange for Gjallarhorn leaving him alone, he doesn't reciprocate for their attack. That's why he's secure in the ending. If Gjallarhorn comes after him, they risk exposing the dirty plays they made to end the uprising.
The Dainsleif is a banned weapon and it's highly implied that some of the soldiers, notably Julietta, have severe misgivings about its use. Julietta spends the entire season convinced that Tekkadan are demons and worth eradicating, yet once she sees them railgunned out of existence she ends up defending them in the epilogue. Maybe a whole bombardment is a bit absurd, but Gjallarhorn was shown to have media and military control. They were essentially an unofficial world government and that was the big issue with them.
Rustal was NOT a good guy. That's one of the reasons I consider IBO so well-written. Nobody in the series is a "good guy" and there are very few "bad guys." It's a drama about opposing powers on top of a very realistic sociopolitical landscape. No magic mobile suits or technology that changes everything. If anything, McGillis being a bit of an idiot is a lampshade about how silly Gundam can be. The dude believes that one mobile suit is going to be enough to convince the entire military to flock to his side and has no backup plan when that doesn't happen.
In the end, the irony of the plot is that the people fighting to change the world get what they want (Tekkadan disbands and is finally free to live normal lives, instead of being slaves or the pawns of major powers like Teiwaz or Gjallarhorn, and Mars gains independence from Earth) don't survive to see it. And those who were fighting for the status quo (Rustal and the rest of the noble families) win, survive, and are forced to change due to circumstances anyway.
It has its issues, but it's still so much better in terms of realistic motivations and grounded outcomes compared to any of the other full series. There's no magic technology that saves the day, nobody suddenly gains pseudo-superpowers, and people don't have a third-act change of heart just because of a passionate speech or whatever. I don't think any main Gundam series tops it. Some of the miniseries like 08th MS Team can give it a run, but it's hard to compare because of the scope difference between the two.
Then again, for those reasons, it's also one of the least "Gundam" like shows in the franchise. I happen to think the UC sucks, but if you grew up on that and consider it the real series, I can understand why you wouldn't like IBO.
This is why I say skip everything else and watch orphans. That and the fact it has modern animation quality and wasn't written for 6 year olds.