Waiting for the modders because atlus failed

[ffrasisti [ARG]]

Portable was a terrible idea as the only game. It should have been an extra, a curiosity for those who beat fes or severely enhanced. Its literally the psp game with questionable AI upscaling that has broken banding lines in several "cutscenes" and backgrounds.
GG Im refunding. Give us fes, already

[JonPringus]

The Upscaling is so distracting. The added FPS is really nice, but man... I can't look past some of these backgrounds and elements. I would rather play with PSP resolution backgrounds than these upscales.

I'm fine with them porting P3P. But I think this also proves that FES needs a modern port as well. I don't care if they're going to remake it. But these upscales... I really hope the team decides to do better and improve this release.

[The Rhythm Thief]

Originally posted by TSVStriFe:

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

I'm surprised this exists and it's getting there

https://gamebanana.com/wips/69935

I'm talking about native settings. Not through hex-editing or what not. SMT3HDR was capped at 30, while the game could easily run at 60 without breaking anything (Reason given by Atlus why they did so).

It couldn't, stop embarrassing yourself.

t. a modder who unlocked internal res for nocturne day 0 and wasted a few days hacking around a proper frame rate unlock

[ValiantBlade]

Originally posted by TSVStriFe:

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

I'm surprised this exists and it's getting there

https://gamebanana.com/wips/69935

I'm talking about native settings. Not through hex-editing or what not. SMT3HDR was capped at 30, while the game could easily run at 60 without breaking anything (Reason given by Atlus why they did so).

The game does actually speed up at 60 FPS because the game speed in Nocturne is tied to framerate. That WIP linked is actually the only semi-functional patch that doesn't cause speed issues. It "can" run at 60 FPS if you want to play turbo mode. Nothing actually breaks, but the game handles internal ticks using the frame count, so the game ticks twice as often, because it doesn't use timers outside of framerate, except for apparently the walk cycle.

Because float timers are strange and aren't 100% accurate with real time and can cause issues when rounding (see: Serious Sam 1), it's not as simple as just converting everything into a float timer because of floating point imprecision.

[[PKKA]Tovarish ToNy]

This may sound like a crazy idea but if there's any chance to have the whole FeMC route in 3D maybe I would consider this game even if its going to be a long time if modders would pick that up or atleast part like being able to walk around the world as FeMC.

Frankly a questionable decision for Atlus why not give this a golden treatment like a chance to be a great Persona Otome game with the FeMC route.

[ValiantBlade]

Originally posted by TSVStriFe:

Then you can wait till hell freezes over. Denuvo is known to ruin modding. As with modding you mostly need to inject a dll in the *.exe and that stupid DRM seem to refuse that.

I'm not really in favor of DRM, but how much Denuvo hurts a game's performance and impacts modding is entirely down to the implementation done by developers. There are some games where it absolutely can cause problems. There are other games where you'd hardly notice it and it barely affects modding. It's entirely dependent on how it's done, and there's not really a pattern to how much it will affect anything, other than that it can, potentially, depending on unknown factors.

Could it impact performance in this particular game? Maybe, but given this game's minimum specs, I can most likely still run on it a liquidated business laptop from 2013 with an ancient intel chipset on an external 5400 RPM drive. I don't have time to test that right now, but that's not even a stretch, this game has a first gen i5 for the minimum requirement, I'd actually be shocked if someone had something older and could actually run a modern version of Windows without issues.

Could it impact modding? Maybe, but Persona 4 doesn't have a problem with modding and I doubt Atlus is using a particularly different implementation that would be harder to get around with mods.

[ffrasisti [ARG]]

Originally posted by Chris:

So what are the differences between FES and this Portable version?

Half the game has been reduced to a visual novel with the backgrounds and art assets upscaled via AI with seams and resolution problems. The Cutscenes have been replaced with more VN stuff and the epilogue is gone. However you get FEMC. Portable is like an extra for people who already played the original. This should have been an EXTRA in a port of FES; not what they serve to people as their first experience with P3

[Foulcher]

But the ones who are receiving money are the lazy devs/editors, not the modders

Modding to fix a game is the reason why PC gamers are milked and not respected

Modding is to add something, not fix

[Derva2010]

there are good mods + upscaling for Persona 3 FES, sure you need an emulator for it, but its more worth it.

[1GREG7]

How long did they have to perfect this port?

[1GREG7]

Did they even listen to the audio?

[Shin Enzyme]

Originally posted by ffrasisti ARG:

Originally posted by Chris:

So what are the differences between FES and this Portable version?

Half the game has been reduced to a visual novel with the backgrounds and art assets upscaled via AI with seams and resolution problems. The Cutscenes have been replaced with more VN stuff and the epilogue is gone. However you get FEMC. Portable is like an extra for people who already played the original. This should have been an EXTRA in a port of FES; not what they serve to people as their first experience with P3

Theres a bit more to it than that, I never played FES, but my understanding is they moved much of it to the P4 frameworks and added some P4 combat features as well.

The upshot is, given that they've ported P4 and P3P shares many of the frameworks from that, it's far more viable as a porting target than to try to port P3:FES and then get backlash for not including the additional content from P3P or port both.

Given the budget price + shared frameworks with P4, we may not have got P3 at all if FES was the only option, but that's just my gut feeling.

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by ffrasisti ARG:

Portable was a terrible idea as the only game. It should have been an extra, a curiosity for those who beat fes or severely enhanced. Its literally the psp game with questionable AI upscaling that has broken banding lines in several "cutscenes" and backgrounds.
GG Im refunding. Give us fes, already

"Refunding" btw

Weak knees

[FhqwhTODD]

Originally posted by Chris:

So what are the differences between FES and this Portable version?

FES is a terrible mess in the dungeons and has an epilogue as an extra that completely ruins the story of Persona 3 and is pretty much universally hated by anyone who actually had the huge misfortune to play it.

Yes, Portable had disadvantages over the original Persona 3 as well but it is overall the better version.

[mademan2]

Even disregarding the FES/P3P debate, this is quite a terrible port, much less a "remake" or a definitive edition, for the most part we know what was coming but even so. I simply hope the rumors of actual remake are true, but in the meantime I will also keep an eye out for mods to freshen this up. There are some really good mods to make FES look beautiful and even mod to have better upsacling than this for P3P. Sadly not much in terms of mixing the two games but modders can only do so much.
Love that the game is on PC officially but dissapointed by the lack of care from Atlus.

[ffrasisti [ARG]]

In summary: Portable is not the best version of Persona 3, and this here is not even the best version of Portable