So i went back and played Redout 1, These are my thoughts.

[Horse HotDog]

Context being iv sunk a modest but respectable 12 hours into Redout 2 across campaign and Arcade.
While this post is going to be MOSTLY negative, This game is still really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fun and enjoyable... But i think its just worse than Redout 1, Heres why from my point of view.

If youv browsed the discussions for abit you will have seen my post on the OST being worse in Redout 2, I still stand by this but not as much as when i made the post.
I had massive Rose Tinted glass's, BUT only towards the ORIGINAL music composed for this game.
Leonardo did fantastic work.

Visually, I think the stylistic graphics are much better than the raw improvement in visually due to one thing.
Sence of speed, Redout 2 flat out feels slower to play.
This is affected by two things.
Firstly: Track sides. The maps in Redout 2 are LONG compared to RO1 and a fairly sizeable chunk wider as well.
Secondly: Particle affects when at high speed, This seems like a very minor thing but it really adds to the affect that you are going that dam fast that its now blatantly harder to see. Granted this was likey done to improve visibility on the new tracks given how insane some of these jump chains are.

Progression in the campaign is just worse and feels like mindless grinding due to how many repeated races are in the campaign.
when it comes to unlocking things in the 1st game you just get to pick what you want and go from their, Going up a class gives you a visually more impressive looking Jet to use as well.
When it comes to Redout 2 its nice you have more ships but i dont think this helps much when it takes so much grinding and repeating races are needed to make progression.
Adding into that the fact that all the tracks share the same starting point and elements it genuinely feels like many of these maps dont feel that much different. Adding into the grindy feeling of the game.

Speed Trails are utterly dumb, There shouldnt be this many people unable to get bronze... Myself inculded.
I play with No assist as they slow you down and on ploit and i always get top 3, Im not extactly bad at this game but i just *cant* get bronze on bearly any of these.

Ok now for the things i think are good

The maps, Despite some which are rather silly (*Cough* The whole sky theme maps and Ixion) i think they are for the most part, Great. Genuinely great and are i think the main reason ill keep playing Redout 2.

The HUD in Redout 2 is just flat out better, Objectively wonderful. From the grouping of the bars to the Turning indicators seen in rally racing games is a utterly WONDERFULLY smart idea. 10/10 idea who ever game up with that. You need a pay bonus.

The Aireal controls are tight, and i love the extra control you have in the air during jumps despite how silly some jumps are.


And thats about it, I know alot of people will agree, I know alot of people will disagree.
Im not the most die hard Anti-Grav fan, But i do enjoy them whole heartedly. And i hate to see that Redout 2 just isnt quite as good in my eyes are Redout 1.

[arislaf]

Υou sir, take my points. I agree. I gave negative review in redout 2. I refund and rebought it to give it a second chance. Still agree with my review and your as on this topic

[Horse HotDog]

Originally posted by kiwaï:

Redout 1 is a masterpiece. Perfect optimization. But it has years of DLC too.

Years of DLC i personally dont own. Never got around to it.
Im personally comparing base games as they currently stand, As to compared Redout 1 as a full package to Redout 2 right now would be objectively unfair.

There are issues with Redout 2 that cant be fixed by just adding DLC, They are systemic to the core of this game.
So it would be pointless to compare both with DLC's.

[mewlynx]

My gripes with the game are that the AI is very inconsistent in performance and that the campaign is overly grindy. B league speed and time trials also feel notably harder in the beginning and get easier as you get better gear, I feel like the difficulty curve on those is really strange. I had to really try to get golds on those, now I can get gold in 1 or 2 tries on most speed/time trials in late B-league/early A-league.

Also, the shared map elements is really, really noticeable in Tartarus. I still like the maps, but so much of those maps blend together that it's kind of hard to see them as unique, they're more like edits from the same base. Thankfully the other maps haven't suffered too much from this (Fuji suffers from lack of identity and sameiness but I don't *think* that it copy pastes segments much), but Tartarus in particular just feels like a missed opportunity sometimes.

[ToJKa]

Originally posted by kiwaï:

+270 people found this review useful, that says a lot :
https://steamcommunity.com/id/WobblyPython/recommended/1799930/

That is very good description of this game. Another like for that one.

[VaeliusNoctu]

I Agree and well written.

[his1roguenation]

36 tracks + reverses!
:D:D:D:D
you gonna play the same 12 for 20 hours
:(:(:(:(

It's like someone looked at bad, busywork filled ubisoft/gearbox/whatever games and was like, damn, we should make a racing game like this.
I'm in A league with 115 stars and I don't wanna look at the game anymore.
Redout 1 was already rather grindy for no acceptable reason, but the sense of progression was much better and you had way more freedom with the order of races.

[OrangeSodaMachine]

I agree. Redout 2 feels slower to play. I did some think about this. Now, I understand why.

Simply put, the tracks are longer.

The DLC tracks of RO 1 had this problem too. Compare the of Hell; the longest track of the base game to Shipwreck or any of the Moon or P-A219 tracks. RO 1 feels faster because the gameplay loop is shorter. This effect is really noticable in the "new" Old Cairo track because Nea Calima is right there for comparison.

Think of it like this. Redout 1 is to curcuit racing like Redout 2 is to rally racing.

[Horse HotDog]

So after this, I bought Redout 1's DLC and have played up to the moon races as current.
Every single track was insanely enjoyable and unqine or just good.

Only one track had issues with air rotation being handled by the game and not myself, Everything else was brilliant.
I have full faith the rest of the tracks will be just as enjoyable.

Redout 2 is now an utter joke in my eyes now, I hope the Dev team can take a full pivot in how they plan out tracks for the DLC of this game... But given how the game is currently.

I have zero hopes for Redout 2 future.

[Ricepad]

Originally posted by Rectangle Apple:

So after this, I bought Redout 1's DLC and have played up to the moon races as current.
Every single track was insanely enjoyable and unqine or just good.

Only one track had issues with air rotation being handled by the game and not myself, Everything else was brilliant.
I have full faith the rest of the tracks will be just as enjoyable.

Redout 2 is now an utter joke in my eyes now, I hope the Dev team can take a full pivot in how they plan out tracks for the DLC of this game... But given how the game is currently.

I have zero hopes for Redout 2 future.

Hi HopeofHellTV,

I haven't purchased the game yet, but I bought Redout and all downloadable content (DLC) when it was on sale two years ago and was inspired by Joltout's Boss Runs using MS / TB or AP / TB and barely hitting any walls. There certainly were landmarks and unique characteristics in each of the tracks. Europa's spinning pipes, Alaska's dizzying twisty Vertigo, and Sequoia's technical finesse are good examples.

Watching others playing Redout 2, I can sense frustration in a few streamers after the 2nd or 3rd rewind, they just restart which is unfortunate. The more I watch them, all the tracks look like they were made long, just to be long.

A full pivot would require a whole engine re-coding which would be cost prohibitive. I'd like to see the boost bars on the left and right of the ships again, would love the artists from Redout 1 to return, and the ability to earn parts through credits rather than through winning races and receiving stars. Love Veela's - Sunset on my Life vocals in Alaska.

I also have a negative outlook on this game, but want to be proven wrong. I could tell the game wasn't going in the right direction when they didn't hold a beta test for players to test out the U.I. and racing tracks. Redout 1 took years to get right according to some of those would bought the first game since it was released.

[moka]

Originally posted by Ricepad:

Hi HopeofHellTV, [...] Redout 1 took years to get right according to some of those would bought the first game since it was released.

Just to answer that, no. i bought Redout 1 at 2016 release and it was already immensely fun, there was really not much to say, a bit like an artist who unveils a masterpiece on the first try. New dlc later just added more fun to an already immensely fun game.

If you take a look at redout 1 patches notes, it was mostly slight adjustments all over, but there were no critical defects to correct.

[Horse HotDog]

Originally posted by kiwaï:

Originally posted by Ricepad:

Hi HopeofHellTV, [...] Redout 1 took years to get right according to some of those would bought the first game since it was released.

Just to answer that, no. i bought Redout 1 at 2016 release and it was already immensely fun, there was really not much to say, a bit like an artist who unveils a masterpiece on the first try. New dlc later just added more fun to an already immensely fun game.

If you take a look at redout 1 patches notes, it was mostly slight adjustments all over, but there were no critical defects to correct.

This statement is right, As a day 1 owner of Redout 1 i played and adored the base game.
Coming back to it now its just as good if i remeber.
Is that the fix's making the thoughts of the game better? Maybe.

But all i know is that Redout 1 as it stands is vastyly better than Redout 2 in every aspect but the Visuals and HUD.
Both of which dont make a fun game.

[mewlynx]

For what it's worth, I'd say base game RO2 is about as good as RO1's. Of course DLCs tip the favor to RO1, but I don't think it's fair to compare a completely finished game and it's DLCs to one that's only been out for like 2 weeks.

RO2's maps so far are easily it's biggest strength to me. I like the little additions and adjustments to Cairo, Fuji is forgettable but so was Alaska. The Tartarus maps made more of an impression on me than anything in RO1 and its DLCs, and Cloud Ocean is very, very strong imo. There's more I haven't seen, too, and I'm very excited to unlock more maps. I think the one map I really have mixed feelings on is the new Mars, and that's only because the Mars of RO1 was so cool and interesting.

I think ship handling and driving is better overall, too. I can understand why people prefer 1 driving, because they are pretty different. It payed off for me, though. I think the one thing I don't like is the slowdown that happens when you activate hyperboost, but that's relatively minor.

So yea, just throwing some positivity towards RO2 in here. Again, I get why some would prefer the original, but I really think this is a great sequel, so far as gameplay as concerned.

[Horse HotDog]

Originally posted by baelynx:

So yea, just throwing some positivity towards RO2 in here. Again, I get why some would prefer the original, but I really think this is a great sequel, so far as gameplay as concerned.

I think Redout 2 is a good game as well, But just in a world where it is Redout 1.

[glitchthe3rd]

Redout 1 is great from the beginning, Redout 2 only gets good like 35 hours in when you finally unlock everything. And this is despite RO1 launching with fewer tracks and ships.

[Horse HotDog]

Originally posted by glitchthe3rd:

Redout 1 is great from the beginning, Redout 2 only gets good like 35 hours in when you finally unlock everything. And this is despite RO1 launching with fewer tracks and ships.

You unlock every in RO2 in arcade mode, Yet Redout 1 is still more fun out the gate.