Is this game worth it?

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

I ask cause I am tempted to get this since it's on sale

[Axelhander]

If you're okay with this being both heavily flawed and unlikely to be fixed outside of third party mods, go for it. If not, stay away.

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Originally posted by Axelhander:

If you're okay with this being both heavily flawed and unlikely to be fixed outside of third party mods, go for it. If not, stay away.

In what regards, exactly?

[AmethystViper]

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

Originally posted by Axelhander:

If you're okay with this being both heavily flawed and unlikely to be fixed outside of third party mods, go for it. If not, stay away.

In what regards, exactly?

These remasters introduced more problems and glitches than the original Genesis versions of these games and even their mobile ports by Taxman and Stealth, the Sonic 3 & Knuckles soundtrack was replace with music track from the beta version of the game in the worst sound quality possible, certain voice samples like Sonic's "Yes!" and Amy's yalp sound when taking damage/hostage are missing, the screen has a persistent blur (although it was "fixed" in a recent patch, it still does not look anywhere as sharp as Sonic Mania's "None" filter despite use that game's same revision of the Retro Engine), the general sound quality isn't as great as it should be, and these old Sega Genesis games are being slapped with DENUVO that can hinder the experience, especially on weaker hardware that can't brute force this compilation's DRM. UI in the character select for these games look dreadful (can't even enable certain combination of characters either like in the mobile ports) and there's also no way to get lives with the 16:9 mode of these games without the Hedgehog Mod Manager.

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Originally posted by AmethystViper:

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

In what regards, exactly?

These remasters introduced more problems and glitches than the original Genesis versions of these games and even their mobile ports by Taxman and Stealth, the Sonic 3 & Knuckles soundtrack was replace with music track from the beta version of the game in the worst sound quality possible, certain voice samples like Sonic's "Yes!" and Amy's yalp sound when taking damage/hostage are missing, the screen has a persistent blur (although it was "fixed" in a recent patch, it still does not look anywhere as sharp as Sonic Mania's "None" filter despite use that game's same revision of the Retro Engine), the general sound quality isn't as great as it should be, and these old Sega Genesis games are being slapped with DENUVO that can hinder the experience, especially on weaker hardware that can't brute force this complement's DRM. UI in the character select for these games look dreadful and there's also no way to get lives with the 16:9 mode of these games without the Hedgehog Mod Manager.

The DRM part I can understand, but how the hell do loves not work cause of 16:9?????

[NBOX21]

Not to mention that, as I mentioned many times before in case you're unaware, they de-listed the old versions of these games that were previously available via the SEGA Mega Drive Classics on Steam to push new buyers towards a more expensive version that provides worse value overall.

Never mind the fact that copies of Sonic Mega Collection Plus are still readily available for dirt cheap and don't come with nearly as many issues as Origins does.

[Tanoomba]

Despite the de-listing occurring about a year and 4 months ago, anybody who still wants the Mega Drive Classics versions of the Sonic games can still get them via Humble or Fanatical. It's true that their stock of keys will not last forever, but the fact that this much time has passed and pretty much everyone who still wants the originals can still get them shows that the demand for those versions is not particularly high at this point, and likely hasn't been for years.

[ElTajarinas]

esta bueno el juego

[Mez Koo]

Yes

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Not to mention that, as I mentioned many times before in case you're unaware, they de-listed the old versions of these games that were previously available via the SEGA Mega Drive Classics on Steam to push new buyers towards a more expensive version that provides worse value overall.

Never mind the fact that copies of Sonic Mega Collection Plus are still readily available for dirt cheap and don't come with nearly as many issues as Origins does.

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

Despite the de-listing occurring about a year and 4 months ago, anybody who still wants the Mega Drive Classics versions of the Sonic games can still get them via Humble or Fanatical. It's true that their stock of keys will not last forever, but the fact that this much time has passed and pretty much everyone who still wants the originals can still get them shows that the demand for those versions is not particularly high at this point, and likely hasn't been for years.

Not to be that guy, and definitely not to defend SEGA on that, that is kinda a big yikes to delist the games to push people into buying their new stuff, but that feels like a secondary matter to the game itself being any good

Same thing with me and Denuvo. If that's your reason not to pay for the game, then that's perfectly valid, but to bring it up in a conversation about the game itself just feels dismissive on the product that's attempting to be sold

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by AmethystViper:

the Sonic 3 & Knuckles soundtrack was replace with music track from the beta version of the game in the worst sound quality possible, the general sound quality isn't as great as it should be.

Its 3 zones, not the whole sound track and all sound quality can be improved with mods including replacing the original music.

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

but how the hell do loves not work cause of 16:9?????

The 16:9 mode is called Anniversary mode and has infinite lives and replaced 1 ups with coins that gives you the ability to retry special stages. Hedgemod manager offers the option to enable classic lives gameplay in anniversary mode.

[Mez Koo]

Its basically widescreen Sonic 1, CD, 2, 3&K with Amy as a new character and game gear games if you buy the Plus version. New animations to add story to the series, added Mania's drop dash Sonic ability, new bonus mission mini games, and infinite lives and ability to retry chaos emerald stages.

If you want an updated version of the classics with those features then go for it, a lot of issues players have are nitpicks from hardcore class fans that have everything memorized and find changes game breaking but the average player isn't going to notice most of them or as you saw the inclusion of Denuvo. As of the most recent update there appears to be some major issues playing as Tails but I have not personally tested to see if those are for everyone or depending on hardware like some other issues. I personally haven't run into any major issues on complete play-throughs on 3 different computers.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

Same thing with me and Denuvo. If that's your reason not to pay for the game, then that's perfectly valid, but to bring it up in a conversation about the game itself just feels dismissive on the product that's attempting to be sold

It's absolutely not dismissive of the actual product itself.
If I was to spend more money on a product I already got (or in the case of those who didn't get them before, could've gotten) for cheaper, it's natural to expect the more expensive versions of the games be the definitive versions by default. Otherwise, people are naturally going to be disappointed and will happily express that disappointment as I and many others already have on these forums. It's one of the many reasons why the GTA Trilogy remasters got a lot of negative attention.

As for the people that already bought them in previous collections, it's an even harder sell, but not impossible. Not to mention Sonic 1, 2 and CD are also on mobile phones for far cheaper and come with a lot of the same advantages such as Tails & Knuckles in Sonic 1 and wide-screen, but without most of the cons of this collection alongside several pros of its own that these versions don't have such as a spin dash toggle for Sonic 1 and a Zone Select in Sonic 1 & 2 upon finishing the game.

Also, the reason many people bring up Denuvo into the discussion isn't due to the product itself, but rather how Denuvo works in tandem with the product you paid for. Many people have reported performance problems in various Denuvo games, hence why it gets brought up. The developer of Tekken 7, for example, even admitted that Denuvo was the cause of the performance problems with the Steam version of the game.

Compare how Sonic Mania was sold at launch compared to now. Many people experienced performance problems with Mania despite their PC being more than powerful enough to run it due to the game itself not being built around Denuvo, but since 2019 where the DRM was removed from the game, these performance issues disappeared almost entirely.

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

Same thing with me and Denuvo. If that's your reason not to pay for the game, then that's perfectly valid, but to bring it up in a conversation about the game itself just feels dismissive on the product that's attempting to be sold

It's absolutely not dismissive of the actual product itself.
If I was to spend more money on a product I already got (or in the case of those who didn't get them before, could've gotten) for cheaper, it's natural to expect the more expensive versions of the games be the definitive versions by default. Otherwise, people are naturally going to be disappointed and will happily express that disappointment as I and many others already have on these forums. It's one of the many reasons why the GTA Trilogy remasters got a lot of negative attention.

As for the people that already bought them in previous collections, it's an even harder sell, but not impossible. Not to mention Sonic 1, 2 and CD are also on mobile phones for far cheaper and come with a lot of the same advantages such as Tails & Knuckles in Sonic 1 and wide-screen, but without most of the cons of this collection alongside several pros of its own that these versions don't have such as a spin dash toggle for Sonic 1 and a Zone Select in Sonic 1 & 2 upon finishing the game.

Also, the reason many people bring up Denuvo into the discussion isn't due to the product itself, but rather how Denuvo works in tandem with the product you paid for. Many people have reported performance problems in various Denuvo games, hence why it gets brought up. The developer of Tekken 7, for example, even admitted that Denuvo was the cause of the performance problems with the Steam version of the game.

Compare how Sonic Mania was sold at launch compared to now. Many people experienced performance problems with Mania despite their PC being more than powerful enough to run it due to the game itself not being built around Denuvo, but since 2019 where the DRM was removed from the game, these performance issues disappeared almost entirely.

It kind of is. Say you're trying to be sold a game, that is a absolute 10/10, but because Denuvo is in it, which I'm putting money down is likely the publisher just being needlessly scared of piracy, how is that a fault of the game?

Yes, Denuvo is bad, I'm not here to argue that, but if that's the big crux of the argument as to why you shouldn't buy/play the game, rather than a discussion about the game itself, then it is absolutely being dismissive

And on the Sonic Mega Collection, that's for consoles I don't have immediate access to, and before you say emulate, it is a rule of mine to save that as a absolute last resort for games that can only exist through emulation

If Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't exist (take out the quality of it, that's a separate discussion) then I'd just emulate it. That kind of thing

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

And on the Sonic Mega Collection, that's for consoles I don't have immediate access to

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sonic_Mega_Collection_Plus
Available as part of the Sonic PC Collection.
Still easily found on the second-hand market for dirt cheap online.
Works just fine on Windows 10 computers.

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

It kind of is. Say you're trying to be sold a game, that is a absolute 10/10, but because Denuvo is in it, which I'm putting money down is likely the publisher just being needlessly scared of piracy, how is that a fault of the game?

Keep in mind that the versions that were sold as part of the SEGA Mega Drive Classics did not use Denuvo in it whatsoever, so by default that is a fault of this collection.

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

If Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't exist (take out the quality of it, that's a separate discussion) then I'd just emulate it. That kind of thing

I'd just emulate it anyway considering:
1. I already own a Wii copy of the game
2. I can get a better experience emulating my own Wii copy
3. Wii copies can still be found for cheaper anyway
If these companies actually want me playing their remasters instead of sticking to the ones I already have, whether through emulation or original hardware, they absolutely should be providing the best versions of these games possible. And yes, the quality does matter in this case considering that's the main reason I didn't buy Ultimate; same goes for Origins, 3D All Stars and GTA Trilogy.

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

And on the Sonic Mega Collection, that's for consoles I don't have immediate access to

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sonic_Mega_Collection_Plus
Available as part of the Sonic PC Collection.
Still easily found on the second-hand market for dirt cheap online.
Works just fine on Windows 10 computers.

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

It kind of is. Say you're trying to be sold a game, that is a absolute 10/10, but because Denuvo is in it, which I'm putting money down is likely the publisher just being needlessly scared of piracy, how is that a fault of the game?

Keep in mind that the versions that were sold as part of the SEGA Mega Drive Classics did not use Denuvo in it whatsoever, so by default that is a fault of this collection.

Originally posted by LilSoonerFanInMO:

If Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't exist (take out the quality of it, that's a separate discussion) then I'd just emulate it. That kind of thing

I'd just emulate it anyway considering:
1. I already own a Wii copy of the game
2. I can get a better experience emulating my own Wii copy
3. Wii copies can still be found for cheaper anyway
If these companies actually want me playing their remasters instead of sticking to the ones I already have, whether through emulation or original hardware, they absolutely should be providing the best versions of these games possible. And yes, the quality does matter in this case considering that's the main reason I didn't buy Ultimate; same goes for Origins, 3D All Stars and GTA Trilogy.

That one's kinda my L, I just googled it very briefly and it just threw a bunch of console ports my way

It is a fault of SEGA because, not sure if you noticed lately, but they have been extra Denuvo happy, at least with their Sonic games, so it's more of a fault of SEGA just being scared of piracy for no real reason. Just Denuvo for Denuvos sake, really. I still don't understand why you insist on putting the blame for Denuvo on Origins when this has been a trend for SEGA for a decent while now, but ok

I literally said the quality of the remasters are a different matter. If they are on sale for a current console/platform, I cannot pirate and emulate in good faith. If the remasters didn't exist, all bets are off. Sorry, but that's just how I work