To those telling others to play fan ports, ROM hacks, and decomps (also, a good list of what's in this compilation, so you can choose whether you want to buy it)

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Preface: If you have time to comment about how you didn't have time to read the post, then actually you do have time to read the post because you took the time to comment. It isn't unruly or anything like that - I just wanted to make sure this was as comprehensive as possible so that people can decide what they want to do before buying Origins, based on what is included in the package and based on what Sega as a company is doing surrounding the compilation's release; of course, this is also sprinkled with my own opinions on how things should be, which you can take as seriously as you please.

The original post is below, please do take the time to read it before giving your take. Who knows, maybe it'll change?

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Developers of the Sonic 1 and 2 decompilations, developers of the Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute ports (which use the decompilations as a base), and the Sonic 3: Angel Island Revisited developer and one of their playtesters, are all in support of Sonic Origins as a project.

Decomp developer (thread)
S1F and S2A developer (thread)
Eukaryot, S3AIR developer
S3AIR playtester

If you are telling people that they should instead download and play the decompilations, use the Steam Workshop to play a ROM hack like Sonic 3 Complete, or play one of the various fan ports, you are very clearly missing the point of Sonic Origins as a product, and you are dictating what people do with their money (which is rather impolite in itself - please let people do what they want).

"But you're spending $40/$45 on Genesis ROMs!"

No, you aren't. These are the 2011/2013 mobile ports made by Stealth and Christian Whitehead. Additionally, Sonic 3 & Knuckles is receiving similar treatment and is being developed by Headcannon Studios, including Stealth, which means it will be of very similar quality to the previous ports that are being included in this collection.

In addition to all of this, you are getting:

• A story mode with brand-new animated cutscenes interspersed throughout, written by Ian Flynn[bumbleking.com] with art director Andy from A+Start,
  
• Remastered Sonic CD cutscenes by Brady Hartel,
  
• A boss rush for each game,
  
• A museum, with sound tests, as well as content from the original games' development that was never released to the public before,
  
• A Mission Mode, with a variety of unique missions for each game, and rankings for each, and
  
• 3D modeled, animated menus for each game, depicting their setting and the setpieces you can find in them.

Whether all of this is worth $40/$45 is up to you. If you think it is overpriced, you can wait for a sale and pick it up when you believe it is worth the amount of money you're paying (if it's of any indication, Mania goes on sale pretty often).

...But no, you aren't spending $40/$45 on Genesis ROMs. If you want ROMs, you probably already have them, and if you don't, here's where you go for them.

"You're wrong!"

No, I'm not.[sonic.fandom.com] And before you say "it's the wiki so it's not accurate", there are sources on the page for a reason, and I've used a lot of them in this post.

"But these other ports from these other franchises did better for this price tag!"

Good for you, go buy those ports instead if you want to support them and their efforts!

"Okay, well, what about Denuvo, and the restrictive EULA?"

I'm actually with you there! I hope that in the future, Denuvo is removed, much like it was with Sonic Mania - but this will not prevent me from supporting the franchise that I hold dear. I also believe that the EULA is overly restrictive (especially as a Steam Deck owner), but I'm not sure if they can be properly reinforced with how Steam works as a platform.

It's ultimately up to you if you decide not to get the compilation because of these restrictions, and I support you for doing that; however, this doesn't mean you can prevent others from getting the game if they want to.

"Origins costs too much in my local currency!"

I'm with you there, too! Despite my above arguments, I personally think that Origins is slightly overpriced (I believe it should be about $30 at most), and the prices I have seen in places like Brazil and Ukraine are frankly ridiculous. In those cases, you can use the fan ports, ROM hacks, and other things as an alternative - it's completely up to you what you want to do.

Alternatively, the Digital Deluxe version is 20% off on Fanatical[www.fanatical.com].

"What about the weird DLC lockouts / preorder bonuses? Music, missions, backgrounds...?"

Once again, the value here is subjective, and whether you want to pay extra money for these features is entirely up to you. I personally bought the Digital Deluxe version, though I'm probably not going to buy the Premium & Classic Sound Pack depending on what's in it (and on whether or not you can swap out music in-game). If you think differently, then that's great!

The only thing you miss out on if you don't preorder is a letterbox background in Classic mode... so, personally, I'd moreso complain about how confusing the marketing is.

EDIT 4/27: "What about the fact that the individual versions of Sonic 1, 2, CD, and 3K are getting delisted?"

I'm not a fan of this either, especially with 3K as I'm fairly certain it is the only way to legally get a ROM of the game. However, I personally don't believe this detracts from the value Sonic Origins brings to the table. As always, if you decide not to get Sonic Origins for this reason, that is perfectly valid - it isn't a good decision for Sega to be making and I'm completely in support there.

"So why did you get it, random fanboy?"

Because I love this franchise, and I want to see more collections like Sonic Origins.

Also because I spend my money where I want, and you can't tell me to spend it elsewhere without me saying no. :)

By the way, I'm not a "fanboy" - I've gone on record and said that I'm supporting Origins as a project but do not approve of the decisions Sega is making surrounding its release, including

"Why would anyone buy Sonic Origins when there are free alternatives, like S1F, S2A, and S3AIR?"

The average consumer won't know how to do these things (and, usually, won't want to do them), and these things are in most cases not possible on a console. Sonic Origins will be available for everyone, and will run with absolutely no prior setup like most games.

Also, to support projects like this, which is what I'm doing along with many other fans.

"So... wait, why did you post this to begin with?"

I came onto this discussion board to positively discuss Sonic Origins as an excited fan that wants to support fan-developed and fan-backed projects like this. Unfortunately, the board is currently flooded with posts that feel hostile towards those who want to support this sort of thing, and none of it feels positive at all. I want to try and change that, even if the hivemind that seems to exist here will probably thwart that effort anyway.

Insert literally any form of insult or heated argument here.

Go take a chill pill, jeez. This clearly isn't healthy for you.

[Rings]

I haven't read this entire thread, but its existence suggests that you are unaware of the abhorrent regional pricing in addition to the despicable DLC and pre-order system (which required a chart with 5 COLUMNS which still did a poor job to convey its purpose) and, last but not least, denuvo.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Rings:

I haven't read this entire thread, but its existence suggests that you are unaware of the abhorrent regional pricing in addition to the despicable DLC and pre-order system (which required a chart with 5 COLUMNS which still did a poor job to convey its purpose) and, last but not least, denuvo.

I did talk about those things, actually, so read the whole thing and give me your thoughts then.

[Rings]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Originally posted by Rings:

I haven't read this entire thread, but its existence suggests that you are unaware of the abhorrent regional pricing in addition to the despicable DLC and pre-order system (which required a chart with 5 COLUMNS which still did a poor job to convey its purpose) and, last but not least, denuvo.

I did talk about those things, actually, so read the whole thing and give me your thoughts then.

I'll be honest with you, in light of those things, I think this post is pointless and just... too long for me to even bother reading it. You know the problems exist, so there's no point to be made. These need to be fixed. Don't excuse them.

If you went over those, then all good.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Rings:

Originally posted by MalikTH:

I did talk about those things, actually, so read the whole thing and give me your thoughts then.

I'll be honest with you, in light of those things, I think this post is pointless and just... too long for me to even bother reading it. You know the problems exist, so there's no point to be made. These need to be fixed. Don't excuse them.

If you went over those, then all good.

Again, I did go over them, and I never excused them. Which, once again, you would know if you read the post.

But since you won't read it, for the record, I support those who won't buy the game because of Denuvo, and I support those who play the fan ports, ROM hacks, and decomps. Your money is yours, after all.

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

Nothing here makes the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ DLC and regional pricing raise across titles any more respectable.

I never said it was or wasn't respectable, and I have said in the post that I do think the compilation is slightly overpriced.

Please read the post! It's not hard, I promise, just comprehensive!

[Rings]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Originally posted by Rings:

I'll be honest with you, in light of those things, I think this post is pointless and just... too long for me to even bother reading it. You know the problems exist, so there's no point to be made. These need to be fixed. Don't excuse them.

If you went over those, then all good.

Again, I did go over them, and I never excused them. Which, once again, you would know if you read the post.

But since you won't read it, for the record, I support those who won't buy the game because of Denuvo, and I support those who play the fan ports, ROM hacks, and decomps. Your money is yours, after all.

Alright, all good then.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Shadowlet:

Originally posted by MalikTH:

I never said it was or wasn't respectable, and I have said in the post that I do think the compilation is slightly overpriced.

Please read the post! It's not hard, I promise, just comprehensive!

I did read it, and therefore I don't need to buy this game.

Good for you, and thank you for reading my post! I hope it gave a bit of insight on things and helped you reach a more informed decision.

[NBOX21]

Honestly, unlike Forces or TSR, I can at least say that there's a certain appeal for a collection like Sonic Origins. It may not be the kind of collection I'd pick up myself since I have access to these games already and have enhanced versions of them already, but I can definitely see, say, Switch owners picking this up considering neither CD nor 3&K are on Switch like they are on Steam.

Yeah, the DLC chart is a problem and the pricing may be a little on the steep side of things especially compared to something like Mega Collection Plus on the PS2, but I do think there's an appeal for a collection like this; it's just that many people such as myself are not a part of that appeal. I do wish the widescreen mode didn't force unlimited lives BTW.

[Flit]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Honestly, unlike Forces or TSR, I can at least say that there's a certain appeal for a collection like Sonic Origins. It may not be the kind of collection I'd pick up myself since I have access to these games already and have enhanced versions of them already, but I can definitely see, say, Switch owners picking this up considering neither CD nor 3&K are on Switch like they are on Steam.

Yeah, the DLC chart is a problem and the pricing may be a little on the steep side of things especially compared to something like Mega Collection Plus on the PS2, but I do think there's an appeal for a collection like this; it's just that many people such as myself are not a part of that appeal. I do wish the widescreen mode didn't force unlimited lives BTW.

While I see what you mean regarding Forces to an extent, I can say that TSR is a fun game to pick up and play, and the challenges in the story mode are mostly fun, so it has its merits. Origins has a lot more value in comparison though, I agree!
I also agree that there could be more granularity with the lives settings - I rarely find myself on the game over screen in the classic games, though, so it really doesn't affect me all that much or particularly bother me.

It's understandable that this compilation isn't for you and I respect that! I'd say as long as I see less hostility on this discussion board it's a win in my book; it was not a nice thing to see when first loading it up.

[Pancakes11]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

I'd say as long as I see less hostility on this discussion board it's a win in my book; it was not a nice thing to see when first loading it up.

Unfortunately from what I've seen from other games I don't see less hostility happening on this discussion board until Denuvo is removed and that won't happen until at the very least a while after release and even that is doubtful from segas history with the program. I do agree though that it would be nice to not have a hostile discussion board for these sonic classics.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Pancakes11:

Originally posted by MalikTH:

I'd say as long as I see less hostility on this discussion board it's a win in my book; it was not a nice thing to see when first loading it up.

Unfortunately from what I've seen from other games I don't see less hostility happening on this discussion board until Denuvo is removed and that won't happen until at the very least a while after release and even that is doubtful from segas history with the program. I do agree though that it would be nice to not have a hostile discussion board for these sonic classics.

Denuvo was eventually removed from Sonic Mania, so I like to stay hopeful! This feels like about the same amount of backlash as what Mania got, so I hope the removal happens here, too.

You're probably right, though I hope I make some sort of impact regardless.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Denuvo was eventually removed from Sonic Mania, so I like to stay hopeful! This feels like about the same amount of backlash as what Mania got, so I hope the removal happens here, too.

You're probably right, though I hope I make some sort of impact regardless.

I'd say after about a year on the market is a reasonable time frame for the removal of Denuvo. It's just long enough for them to make the majority of their sales but not so long that it would span a significant chunk of the game's lifespan.

Other publishers, such as Capcom, follow a similar trend with their Denuvo enabled titles.

[Flit]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Denuvo was eventually removed from Sonic Mania, so I like to stay hopeful! This feels like about the same amount of backlash as what Mania got, so I hope the removal happens here, too.

You're probably right, though I hope I make some sort of impact regardless.

I'd say after about a year on the market is a reasonable time frame for the removal of Denuvo. It's just long enough for them to make the majority of their sales but not so long that it would span a significant chunk of the game's lifespan.

Other publishers, such as Capcom, follow a similar trend with their Denuvo enabled titles.

That seems reasonable, yeah. I'd much rather not have it at all, but that sort of schedule seems fair enough I'd say.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Originally posted by Rings:

I haven't read this entire thread, but its existence suggests that you are unaware of the abhorrent regional pricing in addition to the despicable DLC and pre-order system (which required a chart with 5 COLUMNS which still did a poor job to convey its purpose) and, last but not least, denuvo.

I did talk about those things, actually, so read the whole thing and give me your thoughts then.

That user isn't here to be constructive, only to suppress healthy discussions by choking up the forum with spam and brigading.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by MalikTH:

I did talk about those things, actually, so read the whole thing and give me your thoughts then.

That user isn't here to be constructive, only to suppress healthy discussions by choking up the forum with spam and brigading.

Not sure why you said that on my profile too? Seems a bit unnecessary since I'm subbed to this thread...

Either way, I'll say it again: they didn't cause much of a fuss here, so I don't see the problem. You assuming they are just here to cause problems is arguably worse.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by MalikTH:

Originally posted by Crashed:

That user isn't here to be constructive, only to suppress healthy discussions by choking up the forum with spam and brigading.

Not sure why you said that on my profile too? Seems a bit unnecessary since I'm subbed to this thread...

Either way, I'll say it again: they didn't cause much of a fuss here, so I don't see the problem. You assuming they are just here to cause problems is arguably worse.

User is in multiple redundant spammed threads in this very game hub, and his post history will reveal an agenda.