Sammy vs Big Trouser

[Six]

Who do you think is the better Gold farm character?

I just decided to "Egg cap" Sammy (Get enough eggs to cap all power-related stats, obvo there's no actual cap) and by god the level scaling with the gold gains is beyond nutters.

[Sleepy-Keyzer]

Honestly don't get why we needed another money maker.
It's like the Demo Shields in TF2;
Where Splendid Screen is basically a better version of the Targe, and Tide Turner basically makes the boots+shield gameplay useless.

[Serpentarius]

Sammy is hands down the better character, even if you give trousers the cat as a startign weapon and evolve it, the fact that sammy can gain EXP off of gold makes sammy just better since trousers will hit a hard wall with that sooner or later and thus can't improve the weapon aymore.

[JPM岩]

Sammy quite literally is the strongest character in the game. He will crash your game with how much money there is before Trousers can even reach that point.

Originally posted by Sleepy-Keyzer:

Honestly don't get why we needed another money maker.
It's like the Demo Shields in TF2;
Where Splendid Screen is basically a better version of the Targe, and Tide Turner basically makes the boots+shield gameplay useless.

There's a horrible analogy. The shields in TF2 have distinctly different uses, but combinations make certain ones better than others.

[Atomicbean]

Trouser's AFKable.

Sammy is only usable on short runs as otherwise you end up in an unbreakable infinite loop.

Not that it matters at all - You don't need that kind of gold anymore. Thus Trouser's better by default, because you can get him without the DLC that makes gold completely useless.

If you have Sammy, you no longer need gold, so it's a completely moot point.

[Flitz]

I'd say Sammy is definitely easier to start with. Once you have some eggs though, I think Trouser is more convenient.

Trouser has additional greed scaling, while Sammy scales Wicked Season a lot faster and gets extra gold from his improved Vicious Hunger, But the problem with Sammy is that I can't prevent the game from turning into a slideshow when limit break level ups spam the eyeballs, and without limit break he can't keep up with the curse scaling.

Trouser doesn't scale curse as fast so enemies shouldn't become a problem, and you have complete freedom when it comes to weapons so you can avoid anything that gets too laggy.

[Keter]

Trouser makes your PC want to die
Sammy glitches it out to the Eldritch Realm by existing.

Trouser wins as you still have a PC left to play stuff on.

[Six]

Honestly my brain's immediately solution to the lag (I did a run earlier today) was to just turn off limit break and instead just go for Sarabande to serve as the damage dealer, since it deals damage based on gold gain which continues to scale with time and levels.

[Quenlin]

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[Katsudon]

If I was just starting the egg/ gold farm now I would probably start out with sammy and then after a certain point feed it all to trouser, sammy's weapon is just way too laggy.

[Robert F.]

Originally posted by Katsudon:

If I was just starting the egg/ gold farm now I would probably start out with sammy and then after a certain point feed it all to trouser, sammy's weapon is just way too laggy.

Depend on how many golden eggs you have on Sammy (3k eggs might be the soft spot), set your weapon limit to 1, go to Green Acres or Bone zone (hyper, inverse, NO limit break and endless) and let him just sit there without dropping to 1 frames.

Make sure you don't chose any assorts that increase curse or additional projectiles, those kind of stuff will gradually lag the game engine to a crawl.

[nidokoenig]

Today's patch seems to have changed level up speed. As in how quickly it processes stacked level ups. This changes Sammie's utility quite substantially, and it'll probably be a minute before the dust settles

Besides that, a no egg Sammie can get 10K eggs and 100M gold with a little setup in Abyss Foscari and then leaving it to AFK, I've never gotten numbers like that out of Trouser

[Tatra]

Originally posted by Atomicbean:

Sammy is only usable on short runs as otherwise you end up in an unbreakable infinite loop.

I think you're talking about getting stuck in a level-up loop where it won't let you hit Escape to quit?

I've had that, and the fix that worked for me (in the current/"old" engine) was to click out of the Vampire Survivors window and wait a few seconds. When the game doesn't have focus and has loads of stuff going on, it responds by gradually slowing in-game time down a lot. It has quite a few benefits, including eliminating slow-down from too much happening on-screen, and letting stacked level-ups catch up. Then you can click back in and, before the speed ramps back up, bring up the menu and quit.

[nidokoenig]

Also, when level-ups stack up, there's a big, mostly transparent pause icon below the gold ticker, you can click that. Or use a controller and press pause on that, dunno why Escape doesn't force pause

[Mokona]

Made 2m+/hour on sammy. Couldnt even reach half that on trouser. I vote sammy best.

With a better planned build I could get sammy to make 4m every 30 minutes. Then after the build was complete and I let it run I had 1b at minute 40 and 2b at minute 50. Pretty insane. Now that I think about it this is hyper mode as well so half that time.

[Joeynator3000]

....Trouser actually works, and I can make about 20m in 30 minutes with him. Sammy, I can make 2m in a few seconds...before everything goes into 1fph. (frame per hour, lol)