So I think I found the vampire but I can't open the coffin.

[Sliske]

It's in the 3rd level to the Southeast.

[HeraldOfOpera]

There's a coffin in each of the 5 "normal" levels. You have to kill all the flying skeletons that spawn when you approach it, and then each of those stages has a different character you unlock that way.

[Sliske]

Those are too sturdy, I'd need insanely good RNG to deal enough damage.

[Toasty]

Originally posted by aideorat:

Those are too sturdy, I'd need insanely good RNG to deal enough damage.

nah, a couple of right weapons paired with passive that will improve your damage and you'll do it in no time

[Sliske]

Originally posted by Aegthir:

Originally posted by aideorat:

Those are too sturdy, I'd need insanely good RNG to deal enough damage.

nah, a couple of right weapons paired with passive that will improve your damage and you'll do it in no time

I only managed a build like that once in my many runs. I feel like I need garlic to survive too.

[Draco18s]

You'll manage it eventually. I'm at the point in the game that even without [spoilers]any golden eggs[/spoilers] I can basically kill the entire hoard of such guardians without even realizing that they've spawned.

Also as you unlock more stuff you'll find that garlic really isn't the best weapon. It certainly does feel like that now, but eventually you'll find something that works better for longer.

[Cahos Rahne Veloza]

Pentagram, better yet Gorgeous Moon, can one shot those coffin guardians.

[Sliske]

Originally posted by Cahos Rahne Veloza:

Pentagram, better yet Gorgeous Moon, can one shot those coffin guardians.

Pentagram makes all the loot vanish though.

[Cahos Rahne Veloza]

Originally posted by aideorat:

Originally posted by Cahos Rahne Veloza:

Pentagram, better yet Gorgeous Moon, can one shot those coffin guardians.

Pentagram makes all the loot vanish though.

Level it up to at least level 5 and it won't delete everything. Better yet, max it out so it won't delete any loot at all.

[Admiral Orange]

I feel like pentagram and garlic are traps. Early on I liked garlic but it does so little damage I never used it past early game. Pentagram, unless you get it maxed asap it'll eat your exp and chest most likely. Even maxxed out, I still don't use generally. King Bible was my go to early to mid to even late game. Eventually I traded it out for Santa Water but get it high enough it'll keep you safe, even if you don't have laurels. Lightning ring is solid but seems to fall off (according to after match summary). If you are far enough combine birds or wings. I take both on nearly all my runs.

[Cahos Rahne Veloza]

Originally posted by Admiral Orange:

I feel like pentagram and garlic are traps. Early on I liked garlic but it does so little damage I never used it past early game. Pentagram, unless you get it maxed asap it'll eat your exp and chest most likely. Even maxxed out, I still don't use generally. King Bible was my go to early to mid to even late game. Eventually I traded it out for Santa Water but get it high enough it'll keep you safe, even if you don't have laurels. Lightning ring is solid but seems to fall off (according to after match summary). If you are far enough combine birds or wings. I take both on nearly all my runs.

Another "X weapon is a n00b trap yokel".

Just because you don't like a particular weapon it doesn't mean everyone else does too. Case in point, I feel the birds suck as a starting weapon which is why ExDash and Toastie are quite the pain to start with. Smith IV isn't that too painful to start with though as Vandelier is indeed stronger than Ebony Wings or Peachone.

[SeekerHammerdin]

Originally posted by Admiral Orange:

I feel like pentagram and garlic are traps. Early on I liked garlic but it does so little damage I never used it past early game. Pentagram, unless you get it maxed asap it'll eat your exp and chest most likely. Even maxxed out, I still don't use generally. King Bible was my go to early to mid to even late game. Eventually I traded it out for Santa Water but get it high enough it'll keep you safe, even if you don't have laurels. Lightning ring is solid but seems to fall off (according to after match summary). If you are far enough combine birds or wings. I take both on nearly all my runs.

They're kind of traps in that garlic tends to be over relied on early in the game at the expense of trying out other weapons and gives people a false sense of safety since early on you're untouchable only to get screwed later on when it's nowhere strong enough to kill enemies. Pentagram is a risk since it can slow down your leveling and chest opening by wiping things out, which sucks early on when you're still relatively weak.

As with any weapon though, they can be made to work really well, garlic is good as an extra layer of defense since it slows down enemies and makes them more vulnerable to knockback, this can help keep you safe if you have other weapons that can use that to their advantage (like bible). The evolved form gives you healing too, which is always a plus.

Penta is a straight up crowd clearer with a huge downside, but that downside can be reduced as you improve your luck and upgrade the pentagram, plus its' evolved form is really good. It's also useful in situations like the OP had. If you can get pentagram early on and get to the coffin, you could use it to wipe away the mobs. Pentagram shouldn't delete the coffin, and it shouldn't delete the weapons/passives that spawn in the levels, just xp, chests, and drops from breakables.

That's not even getting into arcanas or limit breaking.

As far as I'm concerned, all the weapons are good, just depends on how you build them and how lucky you are, and even that becomes less of an issue the further in the game you go, never underestimate just how overpowered you can get.

[KellyR]

Garlic used to be weak in the end game. It is not any more. And frankly hasn't been since Silent Old Sanctuary and Tragic Princess were introduced. Blood Astronomia just turns it up to 21.

[Admiral Orange]

fyi, I base this all on the after action report. I mean seriously, runetracer is peak dps at all my logs, bar NONE. Got a zone with no walls, no future somehow comes out on top. Penta is a straight up exp or chest SUCK until you get it to max, at which point, other weapons kill it. I'd say EVERY weapon is viable, personally, EXCEPT Penta. Grab its Crown all the time for wtf should I take runs, but in no way would I ever advise Penta.

[KellyR]

Originally posted by Admiral Orange:

fyi, I base this all on the after action report. I mean seriously, runetracer is peak dps at all my logs, bar NONE. Got a zone with no walls, no future somehow comes out on top. Penta is a straight up exp or chest SUCK until you get it to max, at which point, other weapons kill it. I'd say EVERY weapon is viable, personally, EXCEPT Penta. Grab its Crown all the time for wtf should I take runs, but in no way would I ever advise Penta.

Glorious Moon has all sorts of uses though. Generally for AFK runs where you want to be able to gather all the XP without moving, or for runs that use Vicious Hunger to make sure you're still gaining XP.