Garlic with XXI is good actually?

[👁]

I'm really loving the XXI arcana, it turns some of my most neglected items into potent farming tools and keeps them viable until the end.

[Creep Gnome]

garlic was always good my man

[👁]

I mean for early farming it was good but it didn't hold up when the enemy levels went up, but with XXI it's way stronger.

[AN]

Yeah, it's pretty cool what you can do with that arcana! Makes garlic a real weapon instead of a misinformed meme

[KellyR]

TBH Garlic was only bad in the endgame way back before it was updated to have it tick damage faster with cooldown reduction. Now it can be an absolute monster with Empty Tome and Silent Old Sanctuary. If you throw in Tragic Princess it gets pretty silly because it's hitting like a machinegun.

[Lylex]

garlic is the best, period

[YukoValis]

Garlic gives you the most advantage early and even mid. It is only late level where it falls off. Bible/Vespers is still the king of protection.

[Ace]

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I'm really loving the XXI arcana, it turns some of my most neglected items into potent farming tools and keeps them viable until the end.

Publicado originalmente por YukoValis:

Garlic gives you the most advantage early and even mid. It is only late level where it falls off. Bible/Vespers is still the king of protection.

Even late game it's quite powerful. Bible is great until you get any amount of area on you, and the entire circle is spinning from the top to the bottom of the screen and it's not really "Blocking" enemies so much as it is creating an arena for you to fight them in.

That's where Garlic saves your hide because tick rate = less risk of damage. You can walk through a group of mobs with and without garlic and the difference is night and day. You take much less damage because of the slowdown / stun.

[Ace]

Publicado originalmente por AN:

Yeah, it's pretty cool what you can do with that arcana! Makes garlic a real weapon instead of a misinformed meme

Only thing misinformed are the people who don't understand how to use it and think it's just a meme. It's not there for the dps. That's the clocks job. No weapon (maybe aside from the DLC stuff, since I'm still working on that.) beats the evolved clock in damage, and when it comes to playing at high curse levels or going for long endless runs, garlic actually prevents so much damage that it's not even funny. When enemies are being pressed against you from sheer overcrowding, it's a blessing.

[AN]

Publicado originalmente por Ｃｙｐｈｅｒ:

Publicado originalmente por AN:

Yeah, it's pretty cool what you can do with that arcana! Makes garlic a real weapon instead of a misinformed meme

Only thing misinformed are the people who don't understand how to use it and think it's just a meme. It's not there for the dps. That's the clocks job. No weapon (maybe aside from the DLC stuff, since I'm still working on that.) beats the evolved clock in damage, and when it comes to playing at high curse levels or going for long endless runs, garlic actually prevents so much damage that it's not even funny. When enemies are being pressed against you from sheer overcrowding, it's a blessing.

If you have a real weapon instead you don't need garlic to save you from your bad decision of taking garlic. Garlic was a funny weapon for meme builds, which is good because it made more strategies legitimately viable for some of the content, and now garlic has combo options that make it legitimately good. You shouldn't be mad, your funny heehoo don't touch me build is even better and you can use garlic outside of that extremely specific scenario now.

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In my personal experience Garlic is only really useful for farming in early to mid game and loses utility with higher curse levels unless you combine it with other items like Silver Wings for extra protection (convenient because it uses the same upgrade item)

But the Arcana kind of just makes it moderately useful no matter what your build.

[Halfshell]

My experience is its pretty easy to reach overkill saturation. Take those weapons, sure. But do you need 6 overkill weapons? Theres room in any build to take utility items, to take items that make the early to mid game much smoother. Even if you say its useless by end game, you don't need more than 5 slots anyway.